fallen angels over the seven churches?

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can anyone explain Revelations 2:5

Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent and do the first works, or else I will come to you quickly and remove your lampstand from its place—unless you repent.

as the letter was addressed to the angel of the church of Ephesus

In my opinion it is saying in a simple form, to remember how you was (the church of Ephesus) before you stepped away from the truth,or started doing things differently,etc..and to repent and go back to the original way you was doing it,before you had fallen. I also feel the fallen angels are in Jude vs ⁶ And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

[Guest]

ooohhh.... I should have thought of the Jude verse, nice contribution!

[RedMomma]

thank you omie for the opinion it does make sense since ya put it that way. I so did not think about the full knowledge the fallen angels have so I would have to agree withi both you and jadey there .So thank you both for that I am now studying the bible again for I so need it!!

[back2thebible]

Does anyone really believe that God would place His children under the guidance and control of the fallen angles? I don't.

I see from my life I was not worthy of anything but death, then the blood of Jesus washed me, and I was redeemed, He put me in charge of others lives, and now I do my best to keep them

It appears in the bible God has mercy on whom He will have mercy, who do we see God putting in charge of His people, according to the biblical record, He choses the least of men, and in most cases the exact opposite than what we would chose

would you have chosen Saul of Tarshish, to be Paul one of the greatest leaders of the faith.

or David a young shepard boy, or Moses a man who was not well spoken,

even yourself should be an example, unless you were spotless from birth, and here God has allowed you to be a moderator and judge over everyone here, If we were to know all your past sins would we conclude it was a good choice

I don't think we can put limits on the power of the blood, or the sins of angels as being to great for the blood to cover.

as the bible clearly states in Colossians 1:19-20

^"19 For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, ²⁰ and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross".

considering you don't believe angels that sinned were reconciled, can you give me your opinion of what was reconciled in heaven according to this scripture..............I'm hoping you believe "things on earth" being reconciled are humans

How did you get to this question when I was answering if the fallen angles were over the seven churches?????

I'm just asking for your opinion, as I am not claiming anything to be fact and am only presenting a theory, we know from scripture that the blood of Jesus reconciled man to God here on earth, can you give me your opinion of what or who was reconciled in heaven as the scripture plainly states,

we know that angels can sin from scripture could there possibly be some reconciliation in heaven that the blood of Jesus covers

the scripture seems to say somthing gets reconciled in heaven what do you think it is?

this is just speculation of course!

[back2thebible]

can anyone explain Revelations 2:5

Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent and do the first works, or else I will come to you quickly and remove your lampstand from its place—unless you repent.

as the letter was addressed to the angel of the church of Ephesus

In my opinion it is saying in a simple form, to remember how you was (the church of Ephesus) before you stepped away from the truth,or started doing things differently,etc..and to repent and go back to the original way you was doing it,before you had fallen. I also feel the fallen angels are in Jude vs ⁶ And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

yes absolutely! the scripture obviously excludes those first angels who left their abode, but they are not the only angels we see from scripture their are many different angels, with different jobs and tittles

[back2thebible]

No, I do not think they can be redeemed. The bible appears to state that they are beyond redemption.

Matthew 25

41 Then He also shall say to those on the left hand , Depart from Me, you cursed, into everlasting fire prepared for the Devil and his angels.

Matthew 8

28 And when He had come to the other side into the country of the Gergesenes, two demon-possessed ones met Him, coming out of the tombs, exceedingly fierce, so that no one might pass by that way.

29 And behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with You, Jesus, Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?

that maybe true concerning the angels that caused the nephilim before the flood

I see you have the view that angels mated with humans. I do not share that view.

Fallen angels are not part of the redemption Jesus came for.

OK I can understand that, I was wondering what your opinion was of what then caused giants, I'm hoping you at least accept the teaching that giants lived on the earth, in relation to sexual unions of people, can you give me your opinion of why normal people had genetically huge offspring

[OneLight]

Does anyone really believe that God would place His children under the guidance and control of the fallen angles? I don't.

I see from my life I was not worthy of anything but death, then the blood of Jesus washed me, and I was redeemed, He put me in charge of others lives, and now I do my best to keep them

It appears in the bible God has mercy on whom He will have mercy, who do we see God putting in charge of His people, according to the biblical record, He choses the least of men, and in most cases the exact opposite than what we would chose

would you have chosen Saul of Tarshish, to be Paul one of the greatest leaders of the faith.

or David a young shepard boy, or Moses a man who was not well spoken,

even yourself should be an example, unless you were spotless from birth, and here God has allowed you to be a moderator and judge over everyone here, If we were to know all your past sins would we conclude it was a good choice

I don't think we can put limits on the power of the blood, or the sins of angels as being to great for the blood to cover.

as the bible clearly states in Colossians 1:19-20

^"19 For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, ²⁰ and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross".

considering you don't believe angels that sinned were reconciled, can you give me your opinion of what was reconciled in heaven according to this scripture..............I'm hoping you believe "things on earth" being reconciled are humans

How did you get to this question when I was answering if the fallen angles were over the seven churches?????

I'm just asking for your opinion, as I am not claiming anything to be fact and am only presenting a theory, we know from scripture that the blood of Jesus reconciled man to God here on earth, can you give me your opinion of what or who was reconciled in heaven as the scripture plainly states,

we know that angels can sin from scripture could there possibly be some reconciliation in heaven that the blood of Jesus covers

the scripture seems to say somthing gets reconciled in heaven what do you think it is?

this is just speculation of course!

All who put their faith in Christ. What is faith, if not the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Can the angels say they have not seen God?

[back2thebible]

can anyone explain Revelations 2:5

Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent and do the first works, or else I will come to you quickly and remove your lampstand from its place—unless you repent.

as the letter was addressed to the angel of the church of Ephesus

this verse has always had some perplexing notions behind it

could some of the fallen angels of had a change of heart, and could the scripture we see in Colossians 1:20 be speaking of a possibility that His blood has the ability to reconcile those in heavenly places as well

and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross.

I believe it was Jesus who commanded the messengers to write to the church and all seven letters applied to all seven churches. I pray i'm part of the church of Philadelphia Rev 3: ¹⁰ Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.

me too!.........should we move to Philadelphia.....lol

[back2thebible]

can you give your opinion on what was reconciled to God in heavens as in the verse I posted

and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross.

What makes you think it is referring to heaven (the abode of angels) and not the heavens referencing material created heavens (atomosphere, outer space)?

it could be!.....was that what was reconciled on the earth the dirt, the water, the plants?

[back2thebible]

Knowing that the word angel, means messenger, I just always assumed this should be understood as a message for that church.

"Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent and do the first works, or else I will come to you quickly and remove your lampstand from its place—unless you repent."

Now, consider that whoever this is written to, they are being threatened with the removal of their lampstand. Then consider the following verse:

Rev 1:20

The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lampstands is this: The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches.

I'll leave you to consider the implications there.

so what are the seven stars do you translate them to be human bishops, or God's angels?