wingnut- Posted April 28, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 39 Topic Count: 101 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,673 Content Per Day: 1.31 Reputation: 7,358 Days Won: 67 Joined: 04/22/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted April 28, 2013 A good question is how did all those who see the Second Coming get within viewing distance. Acts 1:11b - This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven. He went upward, He shall return in like manner (descending) One would need to be within a 1.000 to 2,000 mile radius of the Mt of Olives. How did the population of the earth get there?? In Christ Montana Marv They don't have to get there, Jesus gives the answer. Matthew 24:27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Matthew 24:30 At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. He doesn't say they see Him on the mount of olives, He says they see Him coming on the clouds. Do you question His ability to do so? I see your point. But Scripture says He will descend to the Mt of Olives as He went up into Heaven from the Mt of Olives. Line of Sight. Yes every eye will see Him. All the Spiritual world will see the Second Coming, all the Physical world will see the Second Coming. The King is Coming. In Christ Montana Marv Amen brother Another thought occurred to me, in regards to what omegaman posted previously. With the sun being darkened as well as the moon, and Jesus being the light of the world, it gives new meaning to the reference regarding lightning being visible. He will be the only light in the sky, what an awesome thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlessedByTheBest Posted April 28, 2013 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 631 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 119 Days Won: 2 Joined: 10/24/2012 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 28, 2013 something came to mind. what does anyone think about a counterfeit second advent? possible or lunacy? 2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 something came to mind. what does anyone think about a counterfeit second advent? possible or lunacy? 2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. Seems possible, I wouldn't rule it out, that sure would be a great deception, but I suspect, that if such a thing happened, it would be more a a media blitz / special effects type operation, I don't think there will be a false 'everyone will see Him coming in glory on the clouds' sort of thing. As to the question about how He can be seen by everyone, when coming to a specific location (mount of Olives), what if, when He comes after the tribulation to gather His elect from the four corners of the earth, that He does so quite literally? Picture: Flash! a great light moves from the east, even to the west! As it does so, the dead rise, and the Christians are changed, and go up to meet Him in the air! Perhaps, beginning at Jerusalem and moving west at high speed, lets say for grins, 100,000,000 miles per hour. That would have him circumnavigate the globe in about 1 second, sort of the blink of an eye and we are all changed! We, I assume, would not be harmed (those glorified bodies are good for something) and within a second of Jesus appearing, He and His angels could gather all the elect and be back at the Mt. of Olives to descend to earth: Jude 1 14And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, 15To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hardspeeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. 16These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage. Matt 24 29“But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30“And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory. 31“And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other. Just a wild speculation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlessedByTheBest Posted April 28, 2013 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 631 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 119 Days Won: 2 Joined: 10/24/2012 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 28, 2013 yes mega, thanks. if we see Jesus and we are not with Him, we are in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlelambseativy Posted April 28, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 230 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 4,941 Content Per Day: 0.95 Reputation: 2,003 Days Won: 14 Joined: 02/08/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted April 28, 2013 Just to clarify for myself - how do you rationalize 1 Thes 4:15-18 with Rev 1:7 if Jesus feet touch the earth in the Rev. account and they do not in the Thes account but we meet Him in the air ? The Bible does not contradict itself so I would like your answer for these two differing accounts. Revelation 1:7 (AV) Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. and 1 Thes 4:17 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted April 28, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,136 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,091 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted April 28, 2013 something came to mind. what does anyone think about a counterfeit second advent? possible or lunacy? 2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. Possibily the rider of the 1st Seal - The rider is on the white horse, he wore a crown, he comes to take control of the earth. Christ at the Second Coming - He rides on a white horse, He wears many crowns, He comes to take control of the earth and rule 1000 years. In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wingnut- Posted April 28, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 39 Topic Count: 101 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 7,673 Content Per Day: 1.31 Reputation: 7,358 Days Won: 67 Joined: 04/22/2008 Status: Offline Share Posted April 28, 2013 Just to clarify for myself - how do you rationalize 1 Thes 4:15-18 with Rev 1:7 if Jesus feet touch the earth in the Rev. account and they do not in the Thes account but we meet Him in the air ? The Bible does not contradict itself so I would like your answer for these two differing accounts. Revelation 1:7 (AV) Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they [also] which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. and 1 Thes 4:17 15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words. Well for starters I would ask, where does it mention His feet touching the earth in either passage? If you notice in the Thess passage it mentions descending, so not sure why these would be seen differently. Out of curiosity, what do you make of this follow up passage to the same group of people? II Thess. 2:1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to Him, we ask you, brothers, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of The Lord has already come. 3 Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in Gods temple, proclaiming himself to be God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlessedByTheBest Posted April 28, 2013 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 631 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 119 Days Won: 2 Joined: 10/24/2012 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 28, 2013 something came to mind. what does anyone think about a counterfeit second advent? possible or lunacy? 2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. Possibily the rider of the 1st Seal - The rider is on the white horse, he wore a crown, he comes to take control of the earth. Christ at the Second Coming - He rides on a white horse, He wears many crowns, He comes to take control of the earth and rule 1000 years. In Christ Montana Marv yes exactly brother Marv. this is why understanding prophecy is so important in my eyes. because of this coming grand deception of the rider of the 1st seal. i believe many Christians will be deceived by his arrival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted April 28, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,136 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,091 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted April 28, 2013 Blessed I do not believe this rider is the beast of Rev 13. The one who had the fatal wound, and the one who was healed of the fatal wound. The whole world was astonished and followed the Beast. A question is asked. "Who can make war against him"? In essence, no one. But this individual only is in control for 42 months. This is a "resurrection" type. Counterfit of Jesus Christs Resurrection. In the same way, the Rider on the white horse of the 1st Seal is a counterfit of the Second Coming. Bit not the same individual. One is human (the beast of Rev 13), while the other is angelic in nature (1st Seal), where is he coming from?, but Heaven. With the beast, all are astonished and follow him, with the second (the rider), he comes to conquer. A definate difference in approaches. Look at Rev 16:13 - Then I saw three evil spirits, that looked like frogs, they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. When did the dragon come on the seen? In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlessedByTheBest Posted April 29, 2013 Group: Senior Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 631 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 119 Days Won: 2 Joined: 10/24/2012 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 29, 2013 thank you for clarifying this Marv, i will take a closer look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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