Robert Fisk on Arafat

[Guest shiloh357]

!. The bombing of the King David hotel

Zionist Terror??

[amor]

If, as you say, there was no massacre at Deir Yassin, merely the killing of terrorists and their supporters, why was Hagganah one Zionist militia group, so keen to denounce the attack and so willing to blame other militias Irgun and the Stern gang for what happened, anmd denounce it as a terrorist crime.

See here.

Super Jew, you make mentioned the BBC documentary. This was part of a series (called the 50 years war - There is avery good book published by Penguin that accompanied it) made about 10 years ago by a Palestinian and an Israeli film maker. It confirms that there were no rapes, but that that non combatant men and women were taken out and shot. But it also has some of the aforementioned Hagganagh fighters, now rather older again clearly accusing the Irgun and the Stern gang of terrorism at Deir Yassin

Edited November 20, 2004 by amor

[amor]

An Israeli government commision "the Kahan commission" also held Ariel Sharon indirectly responsible for the massacre of 2800 Palestinian civilians in the refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila in 1984. Although these were commited directly by Lebanes Phalangist (Chritian neo-fascists), these forces were alowed into the camps by Sharon, and the commission felt that knowing the tension that existed between the Palestinian refugees and the phalangist (whose leader had just been assasinated by a Palestinian terrorist) the Sharon would have known that a massacre was probable.

I asked my older friend Elie Farhat about this...who was involved in that war. Those 2,800 "civilians" had also been going into the Lebanese villages and stealing, raping, and murdering the Christians. Nice try though. He still bears a scar on his leg from a mortar wound from one of these "civilians".

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They were civilians, if they had not been, do you think an Israeli government commission would have put so much effort into investigating it. I don't know how old you are, but if you had been an adult at the time you would also have seen the very graphic pictures of the men women and children who were murdered there. Denying this fact in the face of overwhelming physical evidence is as ridiculous as the denial made by the neo-nazis that the holocaust didn't happen.

Here is an account

And an eye witness one by RobertFisk

A timelinebased on the reports of Thomas Friedman at that time NY times Beirut correspondent, later their Jerusalem correspondent. Not usually considered an opponent of Israel

Edited November 20, 2004 by amor

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An Israeli government commision "the Kahan commission" also held Ariel Sharon indirectly responsible for the massacre of 2800 Palestinian civilians in the refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila in 1984. Although these were commited directly by Lebanes Phalangist (Chritian neo-fascists), these forces were alowed into the camps by Sharon, and the commission felt that knowing the tension that existed between the Palestinian refugees and the phalangist (whose leader had just been assasinated by a Palestinian terrorist) the Sharon would have known that a massacre was probable.

I asked my older friend Elie Farhat about this...who was involved in that war. Those 2,800 "civilians" had also been going into the Lebanese villages and stealing, raping, and murdering the Christians. Nice try though. He still bears a scar on his leg from a mortar wound from one of these "civilians".

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They were civilians, if they had not been, do you think an Israeli government commission would have put so much effort into investigating it. I don't know how old you are, but if you had been an adult at the time you would also have seen the very graphic pictures of the men women and children who were murdered there. Denying this fact in the face of overwhelming physical evidence is as ridiculous as the denial made by the neo-nazis that the holocaust didn't happen.

Here is an account

And an eye witness one by RobertFisk

A timelinebased on the reports of Thomas Friedman at that time NY times Beirut correspondent, later their Jerusalem correspondent. Not usually considered an opponent of Israel

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Did you just ignore the fact that I brought up an Arab that was involved in the attacks? The Palestinians were launching attacks against these southern lebanese, so the lebanese went in there to fight. Elie said that they did kill women and children. Why? Because most of the women and even some of the children (as young at 8) had weaponson them.

As for the Dier Yassin, even if you were right, you're talking about something that is over 50 years old. Likewise, just because one zionist militia denounces something doesn't make it true. For all we know they could be acting off of the Palestinian propoganda.

So in other words, the best "evidence" you can use is:

A) Easily explained away

and

B) Older than the underwear in my grand-daddy's drawer.

I can bring up Palestinian attacks that have occured in the three years that were made with the sole intention to kill civilians and not military personel. Can you do the same thing with the Jews? Of course not.

[amor]

An Israeli government commision "the Kahan commission" also held Ariel Sharon indirectly responsible for the massacre of 2800 Palestinian civilians in the refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila in 1984. Although these were commited directly by Lebanes Phalangist (Chritian neo-fascists), these forces were alowed into the camps by Sharon, and the commission felt that knowing the tension that existed between the Palestinian refugees and the phalangist (whose leader had just been assasinated by a Palestinian terrorist) the Sharon would have known that a massacre was probable.

I asked my older friend Elie Farhat about this...who was involved in that war. Those 2,800 "civilians" had also been going into the Lebanese villages and stealing, raping, and murdering the Christians. Nice try though. He still bears a scar on his leg from a mortar wound from one of these "civilians".

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They were civilians, if they had not been, do you think an Israeli government commission would have put so much effort into investigating it. I don't know how old you are, but if you had been an adult at the time you would also have seen the very graphic pictures of the men women and children who were murdered there. Denying this fact in the face of overwhelming physical evidence is as ridiculous as the denial made by the neo-nazis that the holocaust didn't happen.

Here is an account

And an eye witness one by RobertFisk

A timelinebased on the reports of Thomas Friedman at that time NY times Beirut correspondent, later their Jerusalem correspondent. Not usually considered an opponent of Israel

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Did you just ignore the fact that I brought up an Arab that was involved in the attacks? The Palestinians were launching attacks against these southern lebanese, so the lebanese went in there to fight. Elie said that they did kill women and children. Why? Because most of the women and even some of the children (as young at 8) had weaponson them.

As for the Dier Yassin, even if you were right, you're talking about something that is over 50 years old. Likewise, just because one zionist militia denounces something doesn't make it true. For all we know they could be acting off of the Palestinian propoganda.

So in other words, the best "evidence" you can use is:

A) Easily explained away

and

B) Older than the underwear in my grand-daddy's drawer.

I can bring up Palestinian attacks that have occured in the three years that were made with the sole intention to kill civilians and not military personel. Can you do the same thing with the Jews? Of course not.

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The point about Sabra and Shattlia, highlghted by the Kahane commission, was that whilst the massacre was carried out by phalangists (Maronite Christian Neo-Fascists), the Israeli military were aware of what was likely to happen when they allowed the phalangists to enter the camps, and did not try and stop the massacres once they had started.

Secondly, Deir Yassin happened at a time when the Jewish guerrills were trying to create a Jewish state for a stateless people, the Palestinians are still struggling to establiosh their state.

As to the suggestions that crimes are lesser crimes because they happened over 50 years ago, is that your attitude towards the holocaust. You also ignore that I gave a long l of examples of Zionist terror, starting in the 40's and moving forward to the present day, and the behaviour of the IDF in the occupied territories.

[Guest yod]

Face it guys, Amor is a murderer.

He tries to act like he's interested in "fairness" but it's all a facade. He's as bloodthirsty as Arafat...as is anyone who condones him. It's disgusting.

[amor]

Face it guys, Amor is a murderer.

He tries to act like he's interested in "fairness" but it's all a facade. He's as bloodthirsty as Arafat...as is anyone who condones him. It's disgusting.

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I've been libelled online super. Sadly libelled by someone who either hasn't read the initial article I posted, or is too blinded by his/her own bigotry, or just too plain stupid to unnderstand my first post. If you think that that article by Robert Fisk, which mirrors my own views "condones" Arafat, you need to brush up on your reading comprehension skills.

P.S. you shall hear from my solicitors!

Edited November 22, 2004 by amor

[Guest yod]

all you have to do is quit condoning murder.

Do your "solicitors" show up in turbans?

[amor]

all you have to do is quit condoning murder.

Do your "solicitors" show up in turbans?

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Since they are sikhs they will. On a slightly more serious note, it's interesting when your rather slanted vision of heroic Israelis and demonic Palestinians is challenged you see no option but to turn to unfounded abuse. The events I have cited happened. Why do you have so much trouble comming to terms with it?

[Kabowd]

all you have to do is quit condoning murder.

Do your "solicitors" show up in turbans?

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