France

[Daniel9601]

the 51st state... the only one with newspapers other than the new york times... I dont blame americans for their ignorance, how can they know anything with hardly any newspapers?

OK, if it was Israeli land, then what about the Intifadas in the late 1930's by the arabs? By locals? If they were locals it implies they were already there, meaning it was their land.

[Guest shiloh357]

the 51st state... the only one with newspapers other than the new york times... I dont blame americans for their ignorance, how can they know anything with hardly any newspapers?

OK, if it was Israeli land, then what about the Intifadas in the late 1930's by the arabs? By locals? If they were locals it implies they were already there, meaning it was their land.

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What "initfadas" are you referring to? and please give some historical context to your question.

From 1936 -1939, there was an Arab Revolt led by Haj Amin Al-Husseini. Over 5,000 Arabs were killed according to some sources, mostly by British. Several hundred Jews were killed by Arabs. Husseini fled to Iraq and then to Nazi Germany.

There was also a General Strike by the Palestinians in 1936. There is no historical record of an "intifada" during that time period. The ONLY intifadas mentioned historically are the 1st intifada of 1987, and the 2nd intifada of 2000.

[Guest Phillip]

How many people here have been to france?

[apothanein kerdos]

the 51st state... the only one with newspapers other than the new york times... I dont blame americans for their ignorance, how can they know anything with hardly any newspapers?

OK, if it was Israeli land, then what about the Intifadas in the late 1930's by the arabs? By locals? If they were locals it implies they were already there, meaning it was their land.

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You're calling us ignorant when you think Americans only have one newspaper? Well, this proves that 1) you're a liar and not a high school debate coach and 2) you're not from the US. Each city...almost every city the US...has its own newspaper. Dallas Morning Star, Washington Times, New York Post, San Fransisco Chronicle, Washington Post, Chicago Tribune...the list goes on. Most cities have on average two or three main newspapers all delivering different ideas. Not to mention most Americans can get the BBC network and whatever we don't get out of our media outlets we can get online as well. The whole "US Media is biased to Palestine" doesn't work anymore due to the fact they have to tell the truth because of American's ability to check foriegn sources.

So what nation are you from to actually believe that we (the US) has only one newspaper?

[Daniel9601]

How many people here have been to france?

I went to Cherbourg to see the Eclipse in 99, and im going to Pari this Feb.

I doubt any of these people have been to France, yet they call me ignorant.

Each city...almost every city the US...has its own newspaper.

True, but, those newpapers would only (or mostly) report on local matters, murders, tax hikes etc. There is a definite shortage of national newspapers in America.

Well, you 'say' there werent any Intifadads, but thats just wording choice. But i was 100% correct on the fact that there was an arab revolt/uprising, Intifada means uprising in Arabic, so infact i was completley correct.

yeah, back to thread, how is France the land of hatred? If its only muslims doing the attacks on jews, then logically, its the muslim land of hatred?

Edited January 7, 2005 by Daniel9601

[Botz]

Phillip

...How many people here have been to france?

Hello Phillip.

My family lived there for 15 years.

My youngest brother lives there and is married to a french girl.

I visit all the time.

Best. Botz

[apothanein kerdos]

True, but, those newpapers would only (or mostly) report on local matters, murders, tax hikes etc. There is a definite shortage of national newspapers in America.

Ah, so you're trying to tell me, a citizen who lives in America, what is in our news papers? Each paper dedicates a large proportion of it's writings to foreign news. Plus, the New York Times isn't a national news paper, it's for New York City. USA Today is the national newspaper...not to mention we have CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox News, MSNBC, CSPAN, and a plethora of other news outlets. Oh, and Time, News Week, Christian Science Monitor...and the list goes on.

So...please, it's obvious you're ignorant to any and all facts this world may hold...dont' talk.

[Guest shiloh357]

Well, you 'say' there werent any Intifadads, but thats just wording choice. But i was 100% correct on the fact that there was an arab revolt/uprising, Intifada means uprising in Arabic, so infact i was completley correct.

but your question implied that it was an uprising against the Jews, when in fact it was against the British.

Furthermore you went nowhere with your question. You gave no historical context.

[Guest shiloh357]

Well, you 'say' there werent any Intifadads, but thats just wording choice. But i was 100% correct on the fact that there was an arab revolt/uprising, Intifada means uprising in Arabic, so infact i was completley correct.

Since you are incapable of putting the issue in historical context, I will do it for you.

From 1936-39 there was an Arab revolt against the British colonialists and the Jewish community (Yishuv) concerning the increase in Jewish immigration to the land. There was NO claim of displacement, and it did not matter to the Arabs that the Jews had legally purchased the Land from other Arabs. It did not matter to the Arabs that the Land the Jews were settling was nothing but desert and swamp, that the Arabs didn't want, anyway. They simply did not want the Jews there. They refused to live side by side peacefully with the Jews. Thousands left their jobs and businesses, and as a result the Arab economy was in shambles.

The ensuing violence left over 5,000 Arabs dead, over 18,000 more wounded, and nearly 5,600 found themselves in prison. The mastermind behind the violence was the mufti of Palestine and head of the Higher Arab Committee, Hajj Amin al-Huseini. He believed that violence was the most effective answer to Jewish immigration and British colonialism. The radical Huseini clan was opposed by a more moderate Hashishibi clan that favored a diplomatic solution. As one would expect, this was unacceptable to Huseini, and he launched what amounted to a campaign of intimidation and murder against moderate Arab mayors and officials that opposed the Huseinis.

This sparked a civil war for the soul of the Palestinian people. Historian Yehoshua Porath, in an article entitled, The Political Organization of the Palestinian Arabs under the British Mandate "a terrible blood feud between two Palestinian camps

[Daniel9601]

That is true, and i have read the book by Zion Ben Gurion (fictional characters real events) "Exedos" set in that period, but it didnt go into great detail.

Would it be fair to say, that the Palestinians are more united now? and they are trying to throw off Israel just as they did the British?