The_Patriot21 Posted August 18, 2013 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 27 Topic Count: 338 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 15,715 Content Per Day: 2.45 Reputation: 8,535 Days Won: 39 Joined: 10/25/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/27/1985 Share Posted August 18, 2013 I wasnt saying that morning and you know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted August 19, 2013 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,260 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,988 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted August 19, 2013 http://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/chick-fil-a-nurse-in-stands-up-for-public-breastfeeding-171256622.html everyone needs to read this followup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenEagle Posted August 19, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 764 Topics Per Day: 0.18 Content Count: 7,626 Content Per Day: 1.80 Reputation: 1,559 Days Won: 44 Joined: 10/03/2012 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 19, 2013 http://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/chick-fil-a-nurse-in-stands-up-for-public-breastfeeding-171256622.html everyone needs to read this followup Very interesting... Chick-fil-A at the Center of Public Breastfeeding Controversy Aiming to educate diners about a woman’s right to breastfeed in public, a group of about 20 women staged a "nurse-in" Wednesday at a Chick-fil-A in Knoxville, Tennessee. That’s where, earlier in the week, an employee had asked a mother nursing her 5-month-old daughter to stop.More on Shine: Breastfeeding Note From Pizza Waitress Pays it Forward "Just as I was finishing up, an employee came up and told me other parents were afraid of letting their children play while I was feeding her, especially without a cover," mom Jennifer Day told ABC News 6 in Knoxville. So she rallied other lactating pals, who decided the protest would be an effective way of letting folks know that the state law — which allows women to breastfeed anywhere, public or private, where they are "otherwise authorized to be present" — is on the mom’s side. More on Yahoo!: More Than 3,000 Moms Will Breastfeed in Public for TheBump.com Second Annual Public Display of Breastfeeding "We want everyone to feel safe. We want nursing mothers to feel safe. Because what is more family than a mother and her baby? And this is a family restaurant," nurse-in co-organizer Anna Hurley (a former Chick-fil-A employee) told the TV station. "We just want to normalize breastfeeding. We just want society to change its views.” Chick-fil-A—which was under fire last year for making millions in donations to political organizations that oppose gay rights—released a statement, saying, “The manager has apologized and regrets any offense he may have caused." The restaurant also plans to now work with the East Tennessee Breastfeeding Coalition for some sensitivity training, the coalition told News 6. "I called them," Sherri Hedberg, coalition chair told Yahoo! Shine. "It's something we do in our area. Chick-fil-A is not the first place to give a woman a problem over this. I just tell them, 'I'm here to help.'" Hedberg said she sent the restaurant a training packet, but because the franchise owner was away, a formal commitment could not yet be made. As for the nurse-in, she added, "It turned out great. Chick-fil-A was very welcoming and accommodating, and it was kind of like a big party. The customers, for the most part, were fine." Unfortunately, this was just the latest breastfeeding brouhaha in what’s been an ongoing issue, despite state laws, which support women's rights to nurse in public. "It's not illegal to breastfeed anywhere in this country," Jake Marcus, a Philadelphia-based lawyer and breastfeeding activist, told Yahoo! Shine. But, she explained, because of "poorly written laws" that, for the most part, have no enforcement provisions, the legal authority for a woman to breastfeed actually lies with the owner of an establishment in most states, including Tennessee. "You have a right to breastfeed as long as the owner has given you the right to be there and to breastfeed," Marcus said. So legally, if a proprietor asks a woman to stop breastfeeding and she does, then she can stay. If she doesn't stop and is asked to leave but does not, a proprietor can then explain to the police that she is a trespasser and have her arrested. Only a handful of states, including New Jersey and Vermont, have enforcement provisions attached to their laws. On Wednesday, a group of 25 women held a nurse-in at Baltimore-Washington International Airport to protest a July incident on an American Airlines flight; that one involved an anonymous woman who was allegedly asked to cover up by a flight attendant so as not to offend the kids who were on the plane. And earlier this week—which just happened to be World Breastfeeding Week—mom Lucy Eades was asked, because of “indecency,” to stop nursing her newborn at the Burleson Recreation Center in Texas as she waited for her older daughter to take dance class. That exchange, between a rec center employee and Eades, was recorded and uploaded to YouTube (where the video has been viewed more than 540,000 times) by the baby’s dad, who eventually asked the employee to leave his family alone. The city of Burleson, amazingly, defended itself, issuing a release that said, in part, “To be respectful of everyone's rights we asked the women to cover up.” A nurse-in is now slated to take place at the rec center on Saturday. In July, a Belgian mom and her diplomat husband were asked to leave a White Plains, New York, country club after an employee allegedly told breastfeeding mom Roseline Remans, "Please leave immediately, you are disturbing the members." “Lactivists” have also been outspoken around the world on the issue recently, with women staging a nurse-in this week in Santorini, Greece, where a breastfeeding woman had been chased away from a café. Earlier this summer, hundreds of Danish moms held a protest in front of Copenhagen’s City Hall after a woman nursing her baby in a nearby restaurant was told by patrons that it was “disgusting.” “Either you're family friendly or you're not,” blogger Jeanne Sager noted on the Stir in response to the Texas incident this week. “And as long as you're not OK with breastfeeding moms, you're NOT family-friendly.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 From the above I quote... "It's not illegal to breastfeed anywhere in this country," Jake Marcus, a Philadelphia-based lawyer and breastfeeding activist, told Yahoo! Shine. But, she explained, because of "poorly written laws" that, for the most part, have no enforcement provisions, the legal authority for a woman to breastfeed actually lies with the owner of an establishment in most states, including Tennessee. "You have a right to breastfeed as long as the owner has given you the right to be there and to breastfeed," Marcus said. So legally, if a proprietor asks a woman to stop breastfeeding and she does, then she can stay. If she doesn't stop and is asked to leave but does not, a proprietor can then explain to the police that she is a trespasser and have her arrested." That would seem to clarify some of what has been discussed here, about the rights of the propriator, and the limitations of the right of the patron under certain conditions. Actually, I would have thought that this thread would have played out by now, hard to imagine anything more could be said. However, I do want to point out one thing: Many here have used terms like indecent and immodest. Perhaps even I have, though I hope not, if I have, I apologize because I do not think that breastfeeding is that. Sure, it can be done immodestly, but I do not think it often is. I do not accuse moms of being immodest, I merely encourage them to try to be descreet for the sake of others. Hopefully, that is the last I will have to say in this thread. There are swimsuits that are more immodest than 99% of breastfeeding women, but that topic has it's own thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted August 19, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.09 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted August 19, 2013 I wasnt saying that morning and you know it. Saying what? No, Patriot, I'M saying it, if you mean my last post. Has nothing to do with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ninhao Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Well said Omegaman and did you smile large as I did at the term “Lactivists” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenEagle Posted August 19, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 764 Topics Per Day: 0.18 Content Count: 7,626 Content Per Day: 1.80 Reputation: 1,559 Days Won: 44 Joined: 10/03/2012 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 19, 2013 From the above I quote... "It's not illegal to breastfeed anywhere in this country," Jake Marcus, a Philadelphia-based lawyer and breastfeeding activist, told Yahoo! Shine. But, she explained, because of "poorly written laws" that, for the most part, have no enforcement provisions, the legal authority for a woman to breastfeed actually lies with the owner of an establishment in most states, including Tennessee. "You have a right to breastfeed as long as the owner has given you the right to be there and to breastfeed," Marcus said. So legally, if a proprietor asks a woman to stop breastfeeding and she does, then she can stay. If she doesn't stop and is asked to leave but does not, a proprietor can then explain to the police that she is a trespasser and have her arrested." That would seem to clarify some of what has been discussed here, about the rights of the proprietor, and the limitations of the right of the patron under certain conditions. Actually, I would have thought that this thread would have played out by now, hard to imagine anything more could be said. However, I do want to point out one thing: Many here have used terms like indecent and immodest. Perhaps even I have, though I hope not, if I have, I apologize because I do not think that breastfeeding is that. Sure, it can be done immodestly, but I do not think it often is. I do not accuse moms of being immodest, I merely encourage them to try to be discreet to the sake of others. Hopefully, that is the last I will have to say in this thread. There are swimsuits that are more immodest than 99% of breastfeeding women, but that topic has it's own thread. I agree with Ninhao well said brother. I agree that has clarified a lot regarding what has been said and proposed. I really would like to see something like the part in red occur. I'm wondering what the response from the police dispatcher would be if this happened? Or perhaps the officers sent to arrest said mother? I think this is the think here underlined brother. People consider breastfeeding a nuisance, indecent, and immodest no matter how it's done. Sad really. Instead of encouraging modesty people demand it. And I'm sure we all know how defensive mothers can be regarding their children... I do agree that there are more immodest swimsuits than 99% of breastfeeding mothers. Ironic that the act of swimming has no nutritional value (that I'm aware of). Lol. <sigh> God bless, GE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenEagle Posted August 19, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 764 Topics Per Day: 0.18 Content Count: 7,626 Content Per Day: 1.80 Reputation: 1,559 Days Won: 44 Joined: 10/03/2012 Status: Offline Author Share Posted August 19, 2013 It certainly is the right of any business to refuse service to ANYONE. That's also the law. If these women who absolutely must nurse in public would use a little common sense (i;e., understand that not everyone is just tickled pink by seeing them nurse in public) and exhibit enough modesty to separate themselves from farm animals, then there would be no problem, would there? Did you read the follow-up article that Other One found? Why are you comparing nursing mothers to farm animals? That seems like a very negative connotation and unkind. <sigh> God bless, GE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Patriot21 Posted August 19, 2013 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 27 Topic Count: 338 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 15,715 Content Per Day: 2.45 Reputation: 8,535 Days Won: 39 Joined: 10/25/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/27/1985 Share Posted August 19, 2013 I wasnt saying that morning and you know it. Saying what? No, Patriot, I'M saying it, if you mean my last post. Has nothing to do with you. you were quoting my post-so I assumed the entire comment, including the indecent and immodest part of it, was directed towards me somewhat sarcastically. If that was not your intent and I misunderstood you, then I apologize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted August 20, 2013 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.09 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted August 20, 2013 Did you read the follow-up article that Other One found? Why are you comparing nursing mothers to farm animals? That seems like a very negative connotation and unkind. <sigh> God bless, GE Why is it unkind? God didn't make us to be like the animals. We should be modest in our dress and actions and consider others as well. Like I said, not everyone wants breastfeeding going on when they're dining or whatever. And I am one of them. What these women do in private is up to them and I totally support women who choose to nurse. Why is it wrong to state my opinion? It's not wrong to state yours....is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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