Is listening to secular music wrong?

[apothanein kerdos]

Lyrics From Five Iron Frenzy

Old West

Some cowboys were a ridin', ridin' on the range;

The grass was over grazed there, and spotted like some mange;

The buffalo were dead there, the trees they all were through,

and if they saw some Injuns, why they would kill them too.

West or bust, in God we trust, "Let's rape, let's kill, let's steal"

We can almost justify, anything we feel;

I'm climbing up that ladder, more brownie points for me

I'll work my way to Jesus you wait and see.

Said one cowboy to another,

"I think it would be nice, if we could take these injuns and convert them all to Christ; See, they are all disgusting, and bringing me great pain,

and if they don't believe me, we'll put a bullet in their brains!"

I am always shoutin', when I go outside,

how people should repent now, or they're going to die.

My motives are all selfish, I'm a cannon brimmed with powder.

If people don't believe me, I just beat them and yell louder.

Some how I cant picture this being a spiritual song that is honoring and lifting up the name of Jesus

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Question: How does this song bring glory to God?

Answer: It doesn't

Hmm....that was easy.

(Doesn't mean all Christian rock is bad though. This is just a good example of the junk out there that Satan is using to deceive people.)

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Tell me, Holy Spirit (seeing as how you just took on that role), how does this not bring glory to God?

[Orr v'emet]

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[apothanein kerdos]

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[Orr v'emet]

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[Kabowd]

Lyrics From Five Iron Frenzy

Old West

Some cowboys were a ridin', ridin' on the range;

The grass was over grazed there, and spotted like some mange;

The buffalo were dead there, the trees they all were through,

and if they saw some Injuns, why they would kill them too.

West or bust, in God we trust, "Let's rape, let's kill, let's steal"

We can almost justify, anything we feel;

I'm climbing up that ladder, more brownie points for me

I'll work my way to Jesus you wait and see.

Said one cowboy to another,

"I think it would be nice, if we could take these injuns and convert them all to Christ; See, they are all disgusting, and bringing me great pain,

and if they don't believe me, we'll put a bullet in their brains!"

I am always shoutin', when I go outside,

how people should repent now, or they're going to die.

My motives are all selfish, I'm a cannon brimmed with powder.

If people don't believe me, I just beat them and yell louder.

Some how I cant picture this being a spiritual song that is honoring and lifting up the name of Jesus

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Wow...this is your argument? Are you unable to understand imagery? Even Jesus taught in parables...stories that people could understand. Geeze. A song doesn't haven't to label the Four Spiritual Laws and the Roman Road in order to glorify God. Are we so narrow-minded we think God can only be glorified in a few certain ways?

What about these words...do they glorify God?

"Woe to the bloody city, completely full of lies and pillage,

Her prey never departs. The noise of the whip,

The noise of the rattling of the wheel,

Galloping horses And bounding chariots!

Horsemen charging, Swords flashing,

Spears gleaming, many slain,

A mass of corpses,

And countless dead bodies-- They stumble over the dead bodies!

All because of the many harlotries of the harlot,

The charming one, the mistress of sorceries,

Who sells nations by her harlotries and families by her sorceries."

When plucked from their context they can appear rather bleak and hopeless....that's why it's important to see the bigger picture and with eyes of understanding. A father singing about how he loves his child can bring glory to God even if he never mentions Jesus in His song. Likewise, many ppl who sing the name of Jesus every Sunday are so far from bringing Him glory I'm sure He can barely stand to look at them at all.

Oh..btw...those words I posted are in Nahum 3...yeah, the Bible.

[apothanein kerdos]

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[Orr v'emet]

Great diversion tactic.

[apothanein kerdos]

Great diversion tactic.

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How is it a diversion? It's called you realized you have no point. You tried to say the song was not spiritual yet can't prove how. You are biased and cannot support it. No diversion in that.

[soulwinner]

I wouldn't say it's a spiritual song...but then you have to prove that's a sin.

Well lets see what the bible says mr Super Eph 5:19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; The verse says spiritual songs plain and simple you say it's not a spiritual song so why go against the word and listen to it? And when did you have to prove something is a sin before you do not involve yourself in it? How about as christians we err on the side of safety.

[apothanein kerdos]

I wouldn't say it's a spiritual song...but then you have to prove that's a sin.

Well lets see what the bible says mr Super Eph 5:19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; The verse says spiritual songs plain and simple you say it's not a spiritual song so why go against the word and listen to it? And when did you have to prove something is a sin before you do not involve yourself in it? How about as christians we err on the side of safety.

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Wow, you're really grasping at straws. First, that's talking about when we greet each other. On top of that, it leaves three options. A psalm can include any form of music.

Gah, man, come on now...you realize you have absolutely no biblical basis in what you're saying, right?