Call for Crackdown on Gays Enclosed in Right to Free Speech?

[Qnts2]

I am not familiar with Ugandan law. In the U.S.A., we have freedome of speech, but with a couple of exceptions. You can not yell, 'fire', in a movie theater, and you can not incite a riot.  

 

A person can say that they believe a person or people should be imprisoned. A person can say that a group of people should be forced to leave the country. But can not tell the people to take that action on their own.  

[Qnts2]

This is somewhat along the same line.

 

In my area, or at least my state, a person who was convicted of sexually molesting a minor, boy. He served his full sentence and was released. He is not on probation. The person is now a Christian, but his particular offense is the kind where the chances of a repeat offense is extremely high. He is doing everything he can to ensure he does not re-offend. The state laws in almost every state, are to release a sex offender list, and where they are located. So, people are going to know if he is living in their community, and of course, no one wants a sex offender to live in their community, so the people often protest and do whatever they can to cause these sex offenders to move out of their community. In this case, the local heating oil company has indicated they would not service the home this man is in, and the local dentist has also indicated he would not do dental work or check ups.

[thomas t]

lol...WRONG!....Lady C,Fez and MorningGlory....there are FOUR of us curious to know the answers.....I know have not participated but it is simply because I feel exactly the way y'all do.........So please,humor us-thomas....we are all waiting

 

                                                                                                               With love,in Christ-Kwik

Good morning Kwik,

 

hmm, I don't fully understand. Everything is said. The title and the content of what this person has said... is also clear by now, I hope.

You want to have humor. Let me think some seconds... I will think further and then I'll come up with a good joke out of this thread!

 

Thomas

[Guest LadyC]

i didn't just read the article. i also read lively's statements concerning this whole thing on his own website. and thomas, he supports the bill as it is now because it is a better alternative than nothing, and because they removed the death penalty. he supports it with reservations. i am not the one misconstruing things, you are. feel free to read up on his website for further clarification.

[TsukinoRei]

i didn't just read the article. i also read lively's statements concerning this whole thing on his own website. and thomas, he supports the bill as it is now because it is a better alternative than nothing, and because they removed the death penalty. he supports it with reservations. i am not the one misconstruing things, you are. feel free to read up on his website for further clarification.

 

 Let's see, what can I find on this unbiased website that couldn't possibly have the agenda of repairing and controlling the public image of this money-generating evangelist?

 

http://www.scottlively.net/tps/tps1.pdf

 

Sincerely, it is against forum policy for me to post you tube links.  Go to you tube.  Look up the video's of his sermons around the world.  Spend a day watching them.  Then if you still think that he is a righteous minister of God, I can't help you.  The man went to Uganda with his Pink Swastika message, told those people that homosexuals were behind the Nazi Holocaust, told them they were behind the genocide in Rwanda, and told them that if they did not take steps to outlaw homosexuality and imprison homosexuals that they and their families would be the next to die.  Because he came with a Bible from the west, the Ugandan's believed him.  He is a frightened little man carrying a message of fear to the masses.

 

If you find that you like what he has to say, you can buy more of his books at his other website; including one called the Poisoned Stream which outlines more of how Homosexuality is actually an Illuminati-like organized conspiracy of violence and oppression which can be tracked throughout (revised) history.  http://www.defendthefamily.com/pfrc/

[Guest LadyC]

from the first paragraph on the page discussing his opinion on his website: 

 

Now that Uganda’s so-called “kill the gays” bill has been revised to drop the death penalty and reportedly add provisions for prevention and therapy of homosexuality I think there may be room for tentative support in the Christian community in the west, even though it retains jail terms for offenders.  Here are three reasons why.

 

tsukino, you're venturing beyond the scope of this topic. i have no idea whether he is a righteous minister of God. i never heard of the guy until this thread. but regarding THIS discussion about his support of the ugandan bill, he supports the current version because it's a better alternative than doing nothing, but he expresses reservations in that he believes it is still too harsh. if the death penalty had not been removed, it appears that he would not have not have given his support.

 

now, the topic of this thread really was freedom of speech. i don't know why lively feels compelled to support a bill in uganda, considering that an american's support over there is nothing more than lip service anyway, as far as i know. does his opinion, his support, have any effect whatsoever on the bill proposed by a foreign government? if it does, i'd sure be interested in knowing. but i'm pretty sure it doesn't.

 

so what it boils down to is this scott lively person did nothing more than openly express his own personal matter of opinion... and in that opinion, he believes that the bill is still too harsh, but that he'll support it anyway now that the death penalty has been withdrawn from it. 

 

the QUESTION surrounding his opinion is whether or not he has the right to voice such an opinion. the answer is a resounding YES. he has that right. it's called freedom of speech. and whether you or thomas or anyone else disapproves of what lively's opinion, he STILL has the right to express it. he has that right BECAUSE HE IS AN AMERICAN.

 

now, i don't know what your laws in canada are, or what thomas's laws are in.... england, is it? maybe where ya'll live, rights to freely express yourself by voicing an opinion that supports something are not guaranteed. but here in america, they are. so why are either of you concerned in the least with some guy exercising his constitutional right? why are the two of you so bent on opposing his right to support whatever he wants? what does it matter to you WHAT his scott lively thinks or says about something going on in another country, particularly when his support has zero relevance in the first place?

[thomas t]

and thomas, [...] i am not the one misconstruing things, you are. feel free to read up on his website for further clarification.

This is getting personal, I think, please read the ToS, thanks.

 

 

[...] even if that free speech is full of misrepresentation and embellishment. [...]

but since he insists on stirring up a debate over an issue that he has misrepresented, don't i still have the right to ask what the heck his agenda is?

I think that your mind towards me is already set. So what is the point for me in further discussing with you?

 

Thomas

[Guest LadyC]

let me add, now that i've completed reading the entire article he wrote on his website... i am in 100% agreement with what he said based on these last two paragraphs... let me paraphrase... he supports the bill as it stands now and would like to see this even in our country... a bill that (if passed) would make it illegal, but would not go throwing people into jail for it... what's the point? the point is that it would legally prevent people with an agenda from pushing a pro-gay marriage onto our children. all he's calling for is for that kind of deviancy to be kept behind closed doors... and for those who refuse to keep it behind closed doors to face some sort of punishment.

 

 

In my opinion, the Ugandan Anti-Homosexuality Bill is still too harsh in the letter.  I would prefer something closer to the approach several American states have taken toward marijuana: criminalize it but minimize the penalty and turn a blind eye toward discrete violations.  Indeed, this would be my prescription for dealing with homosexuality (and all sex outside of marriage) in the United States.  This would preserve basic freedom of choice for people who choose to inhabit various sub-cultures out of the mainstream, yet provide the larger marriage-based society with the legal power to prevent sex activists from advocating their lifestyles to children in the public schools or to flaunt their sins in “pride” parades through the city streets.

However, since I didn’t write the Ugandan bill and have no power to redraft it on my own terms, and since the alternative to passing this bill is to allow the continuing, rapid, foreigner-driven homosexualization of Ugandan culture, I am giving the revised Anti-Homosexuality Bill my support.

[Guest LadyC]

thomas, i don't mind if you wish to no longer discuss it with me. but i'm well aware of the TOS. i am not violating it with giving a personal attack. i'm stating a fact that has been verified repeatedly, not just by me. you have misrepresented what lively said on this issue. i have not. 

 

but if you'd prefer not to discuss it further with me, i'll be happy to respect your wishes.

[thomas t]

 

now, i don't know what your laws in canada are, or what thomas's laws are in.... england, is it? maybe where ya'll live, rights to freely express yourself by voicing an opinion that supports something are not guaranteed. but here in america, they are. so why are either of you concerned in the least with some guy exercising his constitutional right? why are the two of you so bent on opposing his right to support whatever he wants?

 

Well, I am a German living in Germany but thanks for the compliment.

Here in Germany, just for you to make a comparison, the book "To Train Up a Child" (Pearl) was prohibited as being harmful to young people. This is a difference between our two countries, I guess.

A homophobic (among other traits) catholic website called kreuz.net was put on the Index of publications harmful to young people before they shut it down on their own.

 

I'm not bent on this, Lady...

 

 

what does it matter to you WHAT his scott lively thinks or says about something going on in another country, particularly when his support has zero relevance in the first place?

 

I do think that it matters.

 

Thomas