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Paul spoke of his gospel! (Romans 2:16, 16:25, and 2 Timothy 2:8)

 

Paul was not a part of Jesus' earthly ministry. He appears to have missed out some important fundemental concepts of Christianity preached by Jesus! As a pharisee, it looks like he brought in some OT concepts that do not conform to the Gospel we all know now.

Typically when people attempt to negate the Biblical teachings of Paul the end goal is to negate the miracles performed by Jesus and ultimately the divinity of Jesus Christ Himself.

 

What exactly are you trying to accomplish with such a thread?

 

God bless,

GE


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2 Tim 3:16  All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:


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Paul spoke of his gospel! (Romans 2:16, 16:25, and 2 Timothy 2:8)

 

Paul was not a part of Jesus' earthly ministry. He appears to have missed out some important fundemental concepts of Christianity preached by Jesus! As a pharisee, it looks like he brought in some OT concepts that do not conform to the Gospel we all know now.

Paul was to the gentiles  as Moses was to the Israelites.  Moses delivered the Israelites out  of physical labor.  Paul delivered the Gentiles out of the spiritual labor of law.    Paul's gospel brought in the salvation of grace.  The Bible says, the law was nailed to Christ's cross.  The cross abolish the law, though many still want to hang on to it.  Also says by the deeds of the law no flesh can be saved.   The law never had power to completely save an individual.   Paradise was as close as they could get to heaven.   Christ died and went to paradise and took them to heaven.  Even today no man can be saved unless it by simple faith, just as Abraham had, when God accredited righteousness to him when he believed God.  Grace by faith is a free gift of Christ.  There was and is some different  between what Jesus and the disciples taught.  It was from law to grace.  Remember, Peter at Cornelius's  house.  He told him, it was unlawful for me to be in his house (a gentile).  When he got to the Jerusalem council they contended with him over the matter, but he explain it to them how God had sent him there.  Ro  m. 15:8 states that Christ was the minister to the Jews, 15:16 says paul was the minister to the gentiles.   Paul was definitely the main character(after Christ) in the new testament.  Peter verified that in 2cd Peter 3:15-16.  he is given credit for over half of the new testament.


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So the bible is not accurate?

It has to be understood through the leading of the Holy Spirit. It is not according the letter, but by the Spirit. Otherwise, it is no different from the OT leading to same misunderstood concepts.


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OK...I've recovered

 

One author states the following:

 

 Note: I have seen many Atheists, Apostates and Muslims attacking the bible by basing themselves on misinterpretation about the Apostle Paul. Paul was never a False Apostle.

 

"Another false idea is that Paul’s Gospel was different from that preached by the other Apostles. This view claims Paul preached a different Gospel because he refers to his message as “my gospel” (see Romans 2:16 and 2 Timothy 2:8) and in Galatians 1:11-12 he stresses he did not receive it from man but by divine revelation.

 

 

Such claims are misleading. Acts 15:1-34, Galatians 2:1-10 and 1 Corinthians 15:1-11 show Paul and the other Apostles agreed they all preached the same Gospel. 2 Peter 3:15-16 reveals the Apostle Peter totally approved of what Paul preached and wrote in Paul’s Biblical letters. The Apostle Paul also preached repentance as a part of the Gospel of grace in Christ Jesus (see Acts 17:30, 20:21, 26:15-20 and Romans 2:4).

 

 

 

 

 

Such ideas about Paul’s supposed different Gospel are similar to saying that because the Apostle John not once mentioned the word “Gospel” in the Book of John, 1 John, 2 John and 3 John, then this means John did not believe in the Gospel taught by the other Apostles and instead had his own form of teaching. John uses other Biblical expressions which mean similar things to the Gospel. For example, John spoke of grace in John 1:14, 16 and 17 and the kingdom of God in John 3:1-8.

 

 

 

 

So I'm going with No.  Paul did not preach his personal gospel or a different gospel.

There are so many points to discussed to bring home the point that Paul missed out some important concepts preached by Jesus. At the outset, let us confine to his claim of apostleship. I believe, it is a self-claim unsupported by Jesus and other apostles.


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Well, the premise is exactly the opposite of most people I know of who try to negate what Paul wrote. Most say that Paul was wrong because he ignored the OT or contradicted the OT.   

Paul was not entirely wrong. He only adopted an approach that suited the philosophy of Greeks to win them over. Staying put in the same slot now by spiritually grown believers may only make them complacent and stagnant spiritually.


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Paul spoke of his gospel! (Romans 2:16, 16:25, and 2 Timothy 2:8)

 

Paul was not a part of Jesus' earthly ministry. He appears to have missed out some important fundemental concepts of Christianity preached by Jesus! As a pharisee, it looks like he brought in some OT concepts that do not conform to the Gospel we all know now.

 

 

 The Apostle Paul warned in the strongest possible terms about the attitude of God toward those who would pervert the gospel of Jesus Christ. We can understand this, as it cost God his only son, and Jesus a horrible death by crucifixion. He stated:

"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.   As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed." Galatians 1:8, 9

 

But he had limited exposure to the Gospel. Peter,probably, would not have told all the things that happened in the ministry of Jesus. There are things that Paul preached that do not conform to the Gospel. Like calling himself as a father or defining someone as teacher, etc.


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Paul spoke of his gospel! (Romans 2:16, 16:25, and 2 Timothy 2:8)

 

Paul was not a part of Jesus' earthly ministry. He appears to have missed out some important fundemental concepts of Christianity preached by Jesus! As a pharisee, it looks like he brought in some OT concepts that do not conform to the Gospel we all know now.

 

 

Like what?

 

Please share.

 

Examples: Claiming as an apostle, speaking in unknown tongues, establishing communion in tone with OT Passover, claiming as a father, calling someone as a teacher, bringing division in Jerusalem Church, ridiculing Peter openly, claiming as a pharisee even after conversion, etc.


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Hi Knowingtruth,

      God bless you ,Brother......personally I have always taken what Paul says in the same way as when my Pastor says that he most go and prepare "his" sermon,they both preached the one and only Gospel of Christ Jesus.I believe every Word in the Bible is God inspired,just as the Lord God says it is...

     Paul even asked Peter, who was an eye witness to the life,death and resurrection of Jesus,for his blessing and Peter blessed him(gave his approval)...the 11 accepted Paul as an apostle,I believe they would have known if Paul was preaching anything other than the Good News of Salvation....glory to God!

                                                                                                                          With love,in Christ-Kwik.

The apostles accepted Paul as a chosen instrument called by Jesus, not as another apostle since they had already replaced Judas Iscariot.


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Paul spoke of his gospel! (Romans 2:16, 16:25, and 2 Timothy 2:8)

 

Paul was not a part of Jesus' earthly ministry. He appears to have missed out some important fundemental concepts of Christianity preached by Jesus! As a pharisee, it looks like he brought in some OT concepts that do not conform to the Gospel we all know now.

And Nehemiah spoke of his God.

 

And He is my God, and it is my Gospel. 

 

Jesus is our personal Savior too. Apostle Thomas cried out, "My Lord and my God!" Gospel can only be referred to as our Gospel. Because it was meant for all!

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