What Can We Do about Terrorism?

[Guest shiloh357]

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There is no rational justification for terrorism. If they want to fight the American government, then meet us on the field of battle, and fight like men, instead of dressing up like women and hiding in mosques like a bunch of cowards.

Agreed, but it is a criminal matter, not a matter of war. They are criminals, hunt them down as such. Terrorism isn't going to go away by killing people in the middle east. In fact that's just going to make it worse.

You can hunt down responsible parties by other means.

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So what is the difference then? If we do not hunt them down in war, but hunt them down as criminals, what in your mind is the difference.

We could capture them and put them on trial, but again, how would THAT stop terrorism?

And just how do you determine WHO the guilty parties are, when they do not wear uniforms, and make themselves indistinguishable from the civlilians?

[Steff]

So what is the difference then? If we do not hunt them down in war, but hunt them down as criminals, what in your mind is the difference.

We could capture them and put them on trial, but again, how would THAT stop terrorism?

The difference is that you track down criminals with special forces, bounties and means that don't involve invading other countries. Means that inevitably cause additional problems by killing innocent civilians (even unintentionally).

And just how do you determine WHO the guilty parties are, when they do not wear uniforms, and make themselves indistinguishable from the civlilians?

Good question, but a better question is how do you tell the innocents from the guilty after invading a country? It doesn't make the problem any less difficult. The only sure way to eliminate all the middle east terrorists would be to blanket nuke the entire area.

This article is a solution to REDUCE the amount of terrorism on the US. Nothing will ever make it disappear 100%. No solution is perfect, but what we are doing now isn't working.

[Guest shiloh357]

So what is the difference then? If we do not hunt them down in war, but hunt them down as criminals, what in your mind is the difference.

We could capture them and put them on trial, but again, how would THAT stop terrorism?

The difference is that you track down criminals with special forces, bounties and means that don't involve invading other countries. Means that inevitably cause additional problems by killing innocent civilians (even unintentionally).

And just how do you determine WHO the guilty parties are, when they do not wear uniforms, and make themselves indistinguishable from the civlilians?

Good question, but a better question is how do you tell the innocents from the guilty after invading a country? It doesn't make the problem any less difficult. The only sure way to eliminate all the middle east terrorists would be to blanket nuke the entire area.

This article is a solution to REDUCE the amount of terrorism on the US. Nothing will ever make it disappear 100%. No solution is perfect, but what we are doing now isn't working.

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First of all, we have only had one confirmed act of Muslim terrorism from Arab countries committed on American soil. Reduce terrorism against America? It's not like it is happening everyday. We are not seeing terrorism over here near as bad as in other countries. Even if you count the TWA flight 800 which is suspected to have involved Muslims, we have not had that much terrorist activity from the Arabs over here.

Secondly, you cannot prove that sending in special forces (which is much more involved and complicated than you think), would reduce terrorism. The reason we are not having repeat attacks like they are in other places, is because of the measures we are taking.

[ted]

More talk of SF being the answer.

Steff, do yourself a favor. Stay away from the Rambo movies. It's a lot harder than what you think.

Treating the 9/11 attacks as criminal rather than acts of war is the wrong answer too.

Listen close to what these people are saying about their "Holy War" against us.

They are not claiming to be "Holy Criminals", but "warriors".

Then you haven't been paying attention to the events of the past 50 years Ted. I know it hurts to say so, but the current situation is one of our own making. It's not going to be easy to unmake it but it can be done.

Um, no.

In fact, for the past 15 years, I've been living very closely to the events. The current situation is us reacting to what has happened. Perhaps the words of Osama are getting to you.

You actually believe his words?

This is simply about the Americans sticking their nose in someone else's business?

Arab terrorists first had their sights on Israel, and then expanded to those countries that supported their right to exist.

Sweeten that with words of oppression and you have the classic muslim cry of self inflicted misery.

Our crime against Osama was helping his cause against the Russians?

Ok.

So your answer to all of this is to simply send in Rambo and then withdraw every US service man and women back to our borders and then all muslim murder will end?

Apologize to the UN and all will be well?

Right.

t.

[Steff]

That's a nice straw man argument Ted. Perhaps you'd be better off looking at part 3 and the solution presented there.

Osama isn't the first one to say that we are hated because we meddle in their affairs. Iran has been saying it for 30 years, we just haven't been listening.

They are not claiming to be "Holy Criminals", but "warriors".

and the KKK says the same thing. A lot of criminals claim they aren't Ted, that's not an argument. Lots of evil people try and use religion as an excuse to be evil.

I say Israel would be a lot better off if we just let them handle things on their own.

[Leonard]

Cherub Rocket: READ THE KORAN! I dare you to read the Koran.

[Steff]

I've already read the Koran, the Holy Dhammapada, and several other religous texts Leonard. Nothing in them was much a surprise.

[Guest shiloh357]

That's a nice straw man argument Ted. Perhaps you'd be better off looking at part 3 and the solution presented there.

Osama isn't the first one to say that we are hated because we meddle in their affairs. Iran has been saying it for 30 years, we just haven't been listening.

They are not claiming to be "Holy Criminals", but "warriors".

and the KKK says the same thing. A lot of criminals claim they aren't Ted, that's not an argument.

I say Israel would be a lot better off if we just let them handle things on their own.

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Israel is handling things on their own, and they are going after the terrorists militarily, and have crushed the intifada, killed the top terrorist leaders, and have gone from city to city eradicating terrorists, destroying their bomb factories, blowing up their smuggling tunnels, and pretty much smashing their infrastructure. They have had much fewer terrorist attacks of late as a result. The terrrorists have lost their core leadership, and are in hiding. No one wants to lead Hamas or any other group openly because they know it will make them targets.

Israel took a military approach to fighting terrorism, and it is working. It did not make them more loved in the international community, but it is working. There are still pockets of terrorism springing up here and there, but the rage of the intifada has been extinguished.

[ted]

Osama isn't the first one to say that we are hated because we meddle in their affairs. Iran has been saying it for 30 years, we just haven't been listening.

We have been listening, we are simply ham-strung as to what the world may feel is acceptable as to how to deal with it.

and the KKK says the same thing. A lot of criminals claim they aren't Ted, that's not an argument. Lots of evil people try and use religion as an excuse to be evil.

We're not talking KKK here, we're talking muslim terrorism. A huge difference.

That's a nice straw man argument Ted. Perhaps you'd be better off looking at part 3 and the solution presented there.

Ah, the ol' if it doesn't line up with what you may have read about, then it automatically becomes a "straw-man".

I guess I failed again.

Anyone else want to try.

My argument's not good enough.

t.

[Leonard]

The extreme and excessive orders to commit violence in the Koran did not stand out as something rather extraordinary in all the religious literature in the world?

Almost every religion has some records of violent acts, even commands for violence, but nothing comes close to the Koran for its many commands to kill EVERYBODY who is not a Muslim.

I find it a very extraordinary thing that you take it so casually....... PS: You are not Cherub Rocket.