the Theory of Evolution as Taught in Schools

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The reason that entropy is maximized over time is because things like to go into their lowest available energy states. I prefer to think about it this way, I think it is helpful to be very specific here and keep in mind that this is a calculable statistic about systems. Otherwise, I fear that it's too easy to take this as a fuzzy concept that just sort of somehow is a rule about the world for reasons unclear. But yeah, once a system is in its lowest energy state, there are lots of ways to assemble things for that state to be achieved-- this is maximal entropy. If i drop in a bucket of red paint into a swimming pool, once it is all red there are lots of ways to rearrange the water and paint molecules that will resemble that redness. High entropy state. At the very start though, when the paint was just dumped in, there are few ways to describe the system, to arrange the water and paint molecules, such that you have red in this little area of the pool, and it's clear everywhere else. Low entropy.

 

You may very well know all this and if so, I apologize, I am not trying to lecture you. But, when we are dealing with fairly technical terms, that mean something, which are described by equations, I think it's important to talk about it in that way, and not these other fuzzy ways "entropy is disorder, disorder always increases". That may be true in a general way, but then it's hard to see when that is not the case, or how that works, or why it's special pleading if entropy decreases in some system for specific physical processes. You mentioned phase transitions before, that's one example. When symmetry is broken entropy is lowered.

 

No apologies necessary....and I agree about fuzziness and lack of attention to detail.   The only way to directly refute my assertion is to SHOW ONE, "Crystal Clear" ,..... DNA/RNA/Functional Protein Polymerize "Naturally".  Just for the record

 

Well not at all. As I mentioned in the other thread, an event being highly unlikely, extremely unlikely even (if that is what this is, I am not sure), does not mean it violates the second the law of thermodynamics. That is why I am thinking the discussion shouldn't include the second law of thermodynamics at all. i suspect it's just distracting from the larger argument you want to make about the extreme  unlikelihood of a certain chain of chemical reactions.

[Enoch2021]

 

 

The reason that entropy is maximized over time is because things like to go into their lowest available energy states. I prefer to think about it this way, I think it is helpful to be very specific here and keep in mind that this is a calculable statistic about systems. Otherwise, I fear that it's too easy to take this as a fuzzy concept that just sort of somehow is a rule about the world for reasons unclear. But yeah, once a system is in its lowest energy state, there are lots of ways to assemble things for that state to be achieved-- this is maximal entropy. If i drop in a bucket of red paint into a swimming pool, once it is all red there are lots of ways to rearrange the water and paint molecules that will resemble that redness. High entropy state. At the very start though, when the paint was just dumped in, there are few ways to describe the system, to arrange the water and paint molecules, such that you have red in this little area of the pool, and it's clear everywhere else. Low entropy.

 

You may very well know all this and if so, I apologize, I am not trying to lecture you. But, when we are dealing with fairly technical terms, that mean something, which are described by equations, I think it's important to talk about it in that way, and not these other fuzzy ways "entropy is disorder, disorder always increases". That may be true in a general way, but then it's hard to see when that is not the case, or how that works, or why it's special pleading if entropy decreases in some system for specific physical processes. You mentioned phase transitions before, that's one example. When symmetry is broken entropy is lowered.

 

No apologies necessary....and I agree about fuzziness and lack of attention to detail.   The only way to directly refute my assertion is to SHOW ONE, "Crystal Clear" ,..... DNA/RNA/Functional Protein Polymerize "Naturally".  Just for the record

 

Well not at all. As I mentioned in the other thread, an event being highly unlikely, extremely unlikely even (if that is what this is, I am not sure), does not mean it violates the second the law of thermodynamics. That is why I am thinking the discussion shouldn't include the second law of thermodynamics at all. i suspect it's just distracting from the larger argument you want to make about the extreme  unlikelihood of a certain chain of chemical reactions.

 

 

I just replied to this on the 2LOT thread.  2LOT is just one of 4-5 Mount Everest Summits to overcome and it's not distracting...it's fundamental.

[wincam]

see exactly what is being taught in schools first and then come back and let us know if you are prepared to accept it and allow it - via google type in [Fact vs Faith] textbooks click and comment - wincam