The Rapture & The Second Coming Of Christ

[Guest DRS81]

So what you are saying is that Israel sins no more, vision and prophecy have been sealed up.

 

No, I'm not saying that Israel sins no more. I'm saying the sacrifice of sins is already complete through the 70 weeks, now it's up to the people to repent. The 70 weeks is about the sacrifice that Jesus made on the cross. Salvation through Christ only works if they believe and confess and be forgiven.  You think Daniel 9:24 is talking about the great tribulation to come, but it's not. It's talking about the death and resurrection of Christ and the sacrifice of sins on the cross.

 

and to make an end of sins; http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/daniel-9-24.html

so that they shall be no more, but put away and abolished by the sacrifice and satisfaction of Christ for them, as to guilt and punishment; so that those, for whose sins satisfaction is made, no charge can be brought against them, nor the curse of the law reach them, nor any sentence of it be executed, or any punishment inflicted on them; but are entirely and completely SAVED from all their sins, and the sad effects of them. Our version follows the marginal reading; but the textual writing is, "to seal up sins"; which is expressive of the pardon of them procured by Christ; for things sealed are hid and covered, and so are sins forgiven, ( Psalms 32:1 )...salvation through Christ...

 

Psalm 32:1 Blessed is the one whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.

 

[ENOCH2010]

Marv how is it even possible for "people" to accomplish the 6 tasks in Daniel ? 

How can "people" make an end of sin ?

How can "people" make reconciliation for sin ?

How can "people" seal up vision and prophecy ?

[Retrobyter]

Shabbat shalom, DRS81.

 

 

Shabbat shalom, DRS81.

 

So, Yeshua` begins His Day with the rescue of His people, the children - ALL the children - of Isra'el, both Hebrews (both houses) and those who are grafted in, His Day will continue to be a Day of Judgment, for the King, who is also to be King of Kings - a King for kings - a World Emperor, will be a Judge, like His ancestors Daveed (David) and Shlomoh (Solomon) before Him! Then, because He is long-suffering or patient and not willing that any should perish, He will end the Day as the Day of Judgment and Perdition of ungodly men!

 

Blessings Retrobyter. What a wonderful post, thank you brethren. I'd like to also add something that is of importance. After the great tribulation is finished and the second coming of Christ appears, this brightness of the Lord you speak of will be enough to flatten and kill those nonbelievers remaining. Take a look...

Isaiah 11:4 But with righteousness He will judge the poor, And decide with fairness for the afflicted of the earth ; And He will strike the earth with the rod of His mouth, And with the breath of His lips He will slay the wicked.
and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked; http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/isaiah-11-4.html
either by the words of his mouth, as before; see ( Hosea 6:5 ) so that they become dead men in their own apprehensions, have no hope of life and salvation by their own works, see themselves dead in law, and liable to eternal death and damnation; or this is to be understood of the destruction of the wicked at the last day, by a sentence of condemnation pronounced upon them by Christ; and particularly of antichrist, the wicked and lawless one, the man of sin and son of perdition, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and destroy with the brightness of his coming, ( 2 Thessalonians 2:4 2 Thessalonians 2:8 ).

 

Psalms 68:2 As smoke is driven away, so drive them away ; As wax melts before the fire, So let the wicked perish before God.

[so] let the wicked perish at the presence of God; http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/psalms-68-2.html
the appearance of Christ, either in his awful dispensation against the Jews, or in the last judgment; when the wicked shall not be able to stand before his face, but shall call to the rocks and mountains to hide them from him; and when they shall be bid to depart from him, and shall be punished with everlasting destruction in soul and body, from the presence of the Lord, and the glory of his power.

 

With that said, since we now know the nonbelievers will be dead on the ground at the second coming, I do have a question for Retrobyter. At the close of the 1,000 years (when Jesus comes the third time) the wicked will be raised. Satan, loosed from his bonds, will then have an earth full of people (all the nations of the world to deceive.) I HAVE A QUESTION. Who exactly are all these people Satan is deceiving. I thought the living wicked died at the second coming of Christ? http://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/study-guide/e/4989/t/1000-years-of-peace.aspx - Blessings, DRS81.

 

 

To answer your last question, one just needs to remember a simple truth in Scripture that will help one to avoid a dichotomous viewpoint of Scripture: "All" doesn't always mean "all of the universe." There are frequently qualifiers that greatly reduce the number that is implied in the word "all." For instance, if the Tanakh (the Old Testament) says "all the earth," frequently that is a translation of "kol erets" or even "kol ha'arets." The problem is in the range of the "erets" which means "ground," "field," "land," the "Land" (of Isra'el), the habitable "land" (the world), or all the "lands" everywhere which we call the "earth." Most often in the prophecies for Isra'el, the word "erets" refers to the Land of Isra'el," not to the whole earth. Such is the case in Zechariah 12:

 

Zechariah 12:1-14

1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.

3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

4 In that day, saith the LORD, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness.

5 And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, The inhabitants of Jerusalem shall be my strength in the LORD of hosts their God.

6 In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem.

7 The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah.

8 In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the Lord  before them.

9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.

10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.

12 And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart;

13 The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart;

14 All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart.

KJV

 

First, as one can also see in verse 9, that "all the nations" is QUALIFIED by the clause "that come against Jerusalem." Thus, it is NOT talking about "all the nations" PERIOD. It is only talking about "all of those nations who attacked Jerusalem!" Any nations that were NOT INVOLVED IN THE ATTACK ON JERUSALEM are safe from YHWH's destruction in this context.

 

Second, in verse 12, we read: "And the land shall mourn, every family apart," and then again in verse 14, "All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart." The word "land" here is the word "erets," spelled "alef-reish-tsadday," and with the vowel pointing, "alef-segol-reish-segol-tsadday," in Hebrew.

 

That makes its usage different than in verse 1 where we read, "saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him."

 

In Hebrew, this is...

 

1 ... N’um YHWH noTeh shaamayim vyoceed aarets vyotseer ruwach aadaam bqirbow:

 

N’um = An oracle

YHWH = of-the-LORD

noTeh = who-spread/stretched-out

shaamayim = (the)-skies

vyoceed = and-established/founded

aarets = (the)-earth

vyotseer = and-formed

ruwach = (the)-spirit/breath

aadaam = of-Adam/man

bqirbow: = within-him:

 

Here, the word is spelled the same, "alef-reish-tsadday," but the vowel pointing is slightly different because it is a definite object.

 

So, the word "erets" in verse 12 is more dependent on the context than it is in verse 1, and the context suggests that it is the Land of Isra'el because of the names and families associated with the word: David, Nathan, Levi, and the Shimei. (These names are listed in the genealogy of Luke 3, btw.) 

 

Furthermore, this is the passage that was quoted in Matthew 24:30 and Revelation 1:7:

 

Matthew 24:29-31

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

KJV

    

Revelation 1:7

7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

KJV

 

Since the passage in Zechariah came FIRST, these verses also should be limited in scope! Therefore, it should not be thought to be "all the tribes of the earth" or "all kindreds of the earth," but rather they are "all the families of the LAND!" It's really quite amazing how some people, even when you show them from Scripture that this is referring to Isra'el, will ADAMANTLY adhere to the "all the tribes/kindreds of the EARTH," as though these passages refer to the WHOLE earth! 

 

As an aside, look at how little difference there is between the two phrases in Greek:

 

30 Kai tote faneesetai to seemeion tou Huiou tou Anthroopou en ouranoo, kai tote kopsontai pasai hai fulai tees gees kai opsontai ton Huion tou Anthroopou erchomenon epi  toon nefeloon tou ouranou meta dunameoos kai doxees pollees.

 

7 Idou erchetai meta toon nefeloon, kai opsetai auton pas ofthalmos kai hoitines auton exekenteesan, kai kopsontai ep’ auton pasai hai fulai tees gees. Nai, ameen.

 

Only in English do the two separate into "shall all the tribes of the earth mourn" and "all kindreds of the earth shall wail."

 

Again, the Greek word "gee" (spelled "gamma-eta" and pronounced "gay") is like the Hebrew word "erets" (spelled "alef-reish-tsadday"). Thus, it ALSO can mean the "ground," a "field," a "land," THE "Land" (of Isra'el), all the habitable known "land," or all the "land" of the globe. So, likewise, we must look for contextual clues as to which definition should be given to this word.

 

Because these are QUOTES from Zechariah 12, Zechariah 12 has precedence over these verses. They should mean PRECISELY what they meant in Zechariah 12. Therefore, the contexts of Matthew 24:30 and Revelation 1:7 are controlled by the meaning of the word in Zechariah 12's context, and there it meant "the Land (of Isra'el)." Therefore, in both NT contexts the translation also should have been "all the families of the Land shall mourn."

 

So, one must be VERY careful to look for qualifiers when considering a passage as a universal statement. Nine times out of ten, there will be some qualifier that makes "all" not "all," like "all the families of the Land (of Isra'el)" is CONSIDERABLY less people than "all kindred's of the earth (the planet)."

 

Thus, the answer to your question is to look more carefully at the passage by which you concluded "we now know the nonbelievers will be dead on the ground at the second coming." Is this indeed a universal statement, or are there qualifiers that shrink the universal statement into a localized statement? Instead of "all the nonbelievers" globally, perhaps there are reasons for believing that they are all the nonbelievers OF A PARTICULAR GROUP!

 

For instance, Isaiah 11:4 comes from a broader context, ultimately the entirety of the prophecy of Yesha`yahu (Isaiah). Here are three different English versions of this chapter:

Isaiah 11:1-16

1 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

2 And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;

3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:

4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.

6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.

7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.

9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.

10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.

14 But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west; they shall spoil them of the east together: they shall lay their hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey them.

15 And the Lord shall utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea; and with his mighty wind shall he shake his hand over the river, and shall smite it in the seven streams, and make men go over dryshod.

16 And there shall be an highway for the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria; like as it was to Israel in the day that he came up out of the land of Egypt.

KJV

 

Isaiah 11:1-16

1 A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse;

from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.

2 The Spirit of the Lord will rest on him —

the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding,

the Spirit of counsel and of power,

the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord —  

3 and he will delight in the fear of the Lord.

 

He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes,

or decide by what he hears with his ears;

4 but with righteousness he will judge the needy,

with justice he will give decisions for the poor of the earth.

He will strike the earth with the rod of his mouth;

with the breath of his lips he will slay the wicked.

5 Righteousness will be his belt

and faithfulness the sash around his waist. 

 

6 The wolf will live with the lamb,

the leopard will lie down with the goat,

the calf and the lion and the yearling together;

and a little child will lead them.

7 The cow will feed with the bear,

their young will lie down together,

and the lion will eat straw like the ox.

8 The infant will play near the hole of the cobra,

and the young child put his hand into the viper's nest.

9 They will neither harm nor destroy

on all my holy mountain,

for the earth will be full of the knowledge of the Lord

as the waters cover the sea. 

 

10 In that day the Root of Jesse will stand as a banner for the peoples; the nations will rally to him, and his place of rest will be glorious. 11 In that day the Lord will reach out his hand a second time to reclaim the remnant that is left of his people from Assyria, from Lower Egypt, from Upper Egypt, from Cush, from Elam, from Babylonia, from Hamath and from the islands of the sea. 

 

12 He will raise a banner for the nations

and gather the exiles of Israel;

he will assemble the scattered people of Judah

from the four quarters of the earth.

13 Ephraim's jealousy will vanish,

and Judah's enemies will be cut off;

Ephraim will not be jealous of Judah,

nor Judah hostile toward Ephraim.

14 They will swoop down on the slopes of Philistia to the west;

together they will plunder the people to the east.

They will lay hands on Edom and Moab,

and the Ammonites will be subject to them.

15 The Lord will dry up

the gulf of the Egyptian sea;

with a scorching wind he will sweep his hand

over the Euphrates River. He will break it up into seven streams

so that men can cross over in sandals.

16 There will be a highway for the remnant of his people

that is left from Assyria,

as there was for Israel

when they came up from Egypt. 

NIV

 

Isaiah 11:1-16

11:1 But a branch will emerge from the trunk of Yishai,

a shoot will grow from his roots.

2 The Spirit of Adonai will rest on him,

the Spirit of wisdom and understanding,

the Spirit of counsel and power,

the Spirit of knowledge and fearing Adonai —  

3 he will be inspired by fearing Adonai.

He will not judge by what his eyes see

or decide by what his ears hear,

4 but he will judge the impoverished justly;

he will decide fairly for the humble of the land.

He will strike the land with a rod from his mouth

and slay the wicked with a breath from his lips.

5 Justice will be the belt around his waist,

faithfulness the sash around his hips. 

 

6 The wolf will live with the lamb;

the leopard lie down with the kid;

calf, young lion and fattened lamb together,

with a little child to lead them.

7 Cow and bear will feed together,

their young will lie down together,

and the lion will eat straw like the ox.

8 An infant will play on a cobra’s hole,

a toddler put his hand in a viper’s nest.

9 They will not hurt or destroy

anywhere on my holy mountain,

for the earth will be as full

of the knowledge of Adonai

as water covering the sea. 

 

10 On that day the root of Yishai,

which stands as a banner for the peoples —

the Goyim will seek him out,

and the place where he rests will be glorious.

11 On that day Adonai will raise his hand

again, a second time,

to reclaim the remnant of his people who remain

from Ashur, Egypt, Patros,

Ethiopia, ‘Eilam, Shin‘ar,

Hamat and the islands in the sea.

12 He will hoist a banner for the Goyim,

assemble the dispersed of Isra’el,

and gather the scattered of Y’hudah

from the four corners of the earth.

13 Efrayim’s jealousy will cease —

those who harass Y’hudah will be cut off,

Efrayim will stop envying Y’hudah,

and Y’hudah will stop provoking Efrayim.

14 They will swoop down on the flank of the P’lishtim to the west.

Together they will pillage the people to the east —

they will put out their hand over Edom and Mo’av,

and the people of ‘Amon will obey them.

15 Adonai will dry up the gulf

of the Egyptian Sea.

He will shake his hand over the [Euphrates] River

to bring a scorching wind,

dividing it into seven streams

and enabling people to cross dryshod.

16 There will be a highway for the remnant of his people

who are still left from Ashur,

just as there was for Isra’el

when he came out from the land of Egypt. 

CJB

 

Each one becomes more specific and they progressively get closer to what the author and the Author were trying to convey in the passage. However, in NONE of these versions does it suggest that verse 4 is done all at once against all of the Messiah's enemies. Rather, they suggest a consistent judging by the King throughout His reign.

 

[JennySD]

After Christ has killed the DEVIL for the second time, I am sure he will come back to us!.

With a big announcement

 

Amen brothers

[Montana Marv]

Marv how is it even possible for "people" to accomplish the 6 tasks in Daniel ? 

How can "people" make an end of sin ?

How can "people" make reconciliation for sin ?

How can "people" seal up vision and prophecy ?

 

Be joined to Christ

Be joined to Christ

Be joined to Christ

 

For Israel to accomplish the six tasks they must be joined to Christ. They must acknowledge Christ as their King. They will be in His Kingdom, They will be His people.  When does this happen?  Zech 13:9b - I will say, "They are my people" and they will say, "The Lord is our God"  This all happens at the end of the 70th Week of Daniel for unbelieving Israel.

 

We are saved by the grace of God.  We as believers have already acknowledged Christ as our Lord and Savior.  Israel has not done so.  So this prophecy is all about Israel returning back to God and accepting Jesus Christ as their Messiah.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

Yes in Christ these are accomplished.   Without Christ all are lost.

[Guest DRS81]

 For Israel to accomplish the six tasks they must be joined to Christ. They must acknowledge Christ as their King. They will be in His Kingdom, They will be His people.  When does this happen?  Zech 13:9b - I will say, "They are my people" and they will say, "The Lord is our God"  This all happens at the end of the 70th Week of Daniel for unbelieving Israel.

 

The 70 weeks have already been completed.

You don't understand what Daniel 9:24-27 is talking about,

because you have chosen to ignore commentary.

You've totally ignored post 69 and 71, why?

Also read Daniel 9:26...

this is talking about the timeline of AD 69 to AD 79....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vespasian

 

Daniel 9:26 And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing. And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed.

 

prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;

http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/daniel-9-26.html

that is, the people of the Romans, under Vespasian their prince, emperor, and general, should, in a little time after the cutting off of the Messiah, enter into the land of Judea, and destroy the city of Jerusalem, and the temple that stood in it; though some understand this of Messiah the Prince that should come in his power, and in a way of judgment upon the Jewish nation, and destroy them for their rejection of him; whose people the Romans would be, and under whose direction, and by whose orders, all these judgments should be brought upon the Jews; but many of the Jewish writers themselves interpret it of Vespasian, as Aben Ezra, Jarchi, Abarbinel, and Jacchiades:

[Montana Marv]

 

 For Israel to accomplish the six tasks they must be joined to Christ. They must acknowledge Christ as their King. They will be in His Kingdom, They will be His people.  When does this happen?  Zech 13:9b - I will say, "They are my people" and they will say, "The Lord is our God"  This all happens at the end of the 70th Week of Daniel for unbelieving Israel.

 

The 70 weeks have already been completed.

You don't understand what Daniel 9:24-27 is talking about,

because you have chosen to ignore commentary.

You've totally ignored post 69 and 71, why?

Also read Daniel 9:26...

this is talking about the timeline of AD 69 to AD 79....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vespasian

 

Daniel 9:26 And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing. And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed.

 

prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;

http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/daniel-9-26.html

that is, the people of the Romans, under Vespasian their prince, emperor, and general, should, in a little time after the cutting off of the Messiah, enter into the land of Judea, and destroy the city of Jerusalem, and the temple that stood in it; though some understand this of Messiah the Prince that should come in his power, and in a way of judgment upon the Jewish nation, and destroy them for their rejection of him; whose people the Romans would be, and under whose direction, and by whose orders, all these judgments should be brought upon the Jews; but many of the Jewish writers themselves interpret it of Vespasian, as Aben Ezra, Jarchi, Abarbinel, and Jacchiades:

 

D

 

I have read your posts stated above and believe them to be false in context with the decree of Daniel 9:24 - Seventy sevens are decreed for your people (Israel) and your holy city (Jerusalem)  to:  perform the six tasks. This is the primary prophecy.  vs. 25 - 27 are markers describing the 70 weeks, and especially the 70th Week in verse 27.  There is a beginning (when the decree was sent out) and there is an end (when the six tasks are completed by Israel and Jerusalem).  This happens when Israel becomes re-grafted back into the vine.  This is still future, Israel does not believe in the Messiah, Jesus Christ.  They will at the Second Coming.  Which is the completion of the 70th week.

 

Don't try to persuade me with your preterist doctrine, I don't buy it, it is a waste of my time.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Guest DRS81]

Don't try to persuade me with your preterist doctrine, I don't buy it, it is a waste of my time.

 

Well maybe the math in scripture will persuade you. Why does the 70 weeks in Daniel 9 use Jubilee timing, and then Daniel 12:11, Rev 12:6 and Rev 13:5 uses OUR timing when talking about the great tribulation? If they're both talking about the same thing then why use two different kinds of math?....

 

[ENOCH2010]

The pre-trib doctrine has to have the whole 7 years to be in the future, or a major hole is blown in their rapture theory.

[Montana Marv]

The pre-trib doctrine has to have the whole 7 years to be in the future, or a major hole is blown in their rapture theory.

  Yes, but why does an angel need to fly in midair to proclaim the Gospel to those who live on the earth.  Have those so called tribulation saints lost their saltiness, are they hiding their light which is in them from the rest of the world.  Have they become ineffective, not fulfilling the Great Commission.  Since you are neither hot nor cold, I will spew you out of my mouth.  Ineffective so-called believers.

 

The Post Trib people need to have Salvation by works, they need to prove to God that they are worthy; yet their works are ineffective.  No Great Commission.  Rev 9:20 - The rest of mankind that were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood.  If you are here at the end, just before the Second Coming, it looks like you are part of the "rest of mankind who worship demons and idols".  1/3 of mankind were killed by these plagues, 2/3's (rest of mankind) did not die. 

 

Praise God I will not be here.  Praise God I will be Raptured before the Antichrist is revealed.  I will be in the Fathers House where Jesus now is making a place for me.  John 14: 1-4, for I know the way.

 

Some of these demon and idol worshiper will enter into the 1000 year reign of Christ.  This is why He must rule with a rod of iron.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv