The Rapture & The Second Coming Of Christ

[Retrobyter]

Shalom, Montana Marv and DRS81.

 

 

I see no need for Jubilee timing.  70 Sevens are decreed for your people and your holy city to:  complete the six tasks.

 

The six tasks in Daniel 9:24 "Seventy weeks are decreed about your people and your holy city, (1) to finish the transgression, (2) to put an end to sin, (3) and to atone for iniquity, (4) to bring in everlasting righteousness, (5) to seal both vision and prophet, (6) and to anoint a most holy place.
 

1. to finish the transgression

2. to put an end to sin

3. and to atone for iniquity

4. to bring in everlasting righteousness

5. to seal both vision and prophet

6. and to anoint a most holy place

 

Answer me three questions here..

 

1. How many of these tasks have already been completed?

2. Is there scripture that confirms any of these tasks in the great tribulation?

3. Why is there such a huge gap after the 69 weeks, 20 centuries later?

 

It starts to make sense that the 70 weeks is split into two gaps.

 

 

1. The first three have been accomplished by Yeshua` (Jesus) Himself. The second three won't be accomplished until the Messiah physically returns.

2. Yes. Hebrews 9-11, but the "great tribulation" started in the first century A.D.

3. The "huge gap" occurs after the 69.5th Seven. The first 69 Sevens were accomplished before Yeshua` presented Himself for Yochanan's baptism. The next half a Seven was fulfilled in the initial offer of the Kingdom (Yeshua`s "Ministry"). Then, Yeshua` threw the monkey wrench into the works by pronouncing them desolate until there comes a generation that will say the words "Baruwkh haba' b'shem YHWH," welcoming the Messiah of YHWH as they SHOULD have done in the first century! They're a very stubborn people and haven't fully welcomed Him, yet! (Although, they ARE beginning to come around! They even put teachings and warnings into place to help the Jewish children shun Yeshua`, even though most of them don't have a clue why it's "important," just that it is!) There are not "two gaps," only the one, and it has sufficiently delayed the end of the Seven.

[Montana Marv]

 

I see no need for Jubilee timing.  70 Sevens are decreed for your people and your holy city to:  complete the six tasks.

 

The six tasks in Daniel 9:24 "Seventy weeks are decreed about your people and your holy city, (1) to finish the transgression, (2) to put an end to sin, (3) and to atone for iniquity, (4) to bring in everlasting righteousness, (5) to seal both vision and prophet, (6) and to anoint a most holy place.

 

1. to finish the transgression

2. to put an end to sin

3. and to atone for iniquity

4. to bring in everlasting righteousness

5. to seal both vision and prophet

6. and to anoint a most holy place

 

Answer me three questions here..

 

1. How many of these tasks have already been completed?

2. Is there scripture that confirms any of these tasks in the great tribulation?

3. Why is there such a huge gap after the 69 weeks, 20 centuries later?

 

It starts to make sense that the 70 weeks is split into two gaps.

 

 

D

 

Question #1. - None, For Israel needs to be re-grafted back into the vine for these to happen.

Question #2. - None, For all Israel is not redeemed until they see the one who they pierced returning (Second Coming)

Question #3. - I have no answer to that question, except that this age of grace is for believers/ the Bride to be completed. A set number.

 

All of the six tasks are completed when we are in Christ Jesus, in the Vine.  They are waiting to be fulfilled;  (For the Bride, When accepting Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior); For Israel, (when they acknowledge Jesus Christ as their King and Messiah, saying The Lord is our God).

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Guest DRS81]

She loves me, she loves me not.

[Hindsfeet]

How do I prepare for the Post-trib rapture?

[Guest DRS81]

How do I prepare for the Post-trib rapture?

 

buy lots of canned soup chicken noodle.

[Spock]

Are these two different events or one big event.

Please use scripture to help prove your claim.

Thank you. Blessings. - DRS81

Two distinct events.

Rapture-1 thess 4 and 1 cor 15

2nd coming-Matt 24 and rev 19

[Spock]

So everytime we see the words "come up hither" we are to assume a rapture and resurrection. I'm not the one that is confused, the resurrection in Rev.20 is called the first resurrection for a reason. That reason being, to the world the confusion that erupts when someone starts adding a resurrection to the book of Revelation other than the 2 that are described. 

 

 

the whole phrase ( "come up hither") is used once in proverbs 25 and twice in Revelations  so does that make 3 pre-trib raptures 

 

and your telling me i'm confused

 

Just because scripture describes the rapture in different books of the Bible doesn't mean (A) rapture occurs in each scripture. It just simply means there is more poetry to the event. They are using more description to describe one event, the rapture. For example, take a look at 1 Thess 4:15-17 and 1 Cor 15:51-54. These two scriptures are describing the rapture but are in different books, because God is a painter and an artist and a creator. The pieces of the puzzle are not yet finished in prophecy because God's timing is just that..it's God's.

Your the one that said the rapture happens in Rev. 4   I disagree, the rapture doesn't happen until the second coming  

 

1st Thes. says     The dead in Christ rise first (a resurrection must accompany the rapture) then we which are alive and remain will be caught up with them to meet the Lord in the air. 

 

Show me another resurrection where the dead in Christ rise, other than the first resurrection, then and only then will it be possible for the rapture to happen prior to the second coming, as described in Rev. 20

That is your belief ENOCH.Everyone has the right to believe what they want.Why are you continually debating this subject?You have your opinion and others choose to believe the way they want.

I do not agree with Enoch either. Don't let him bully you here. Lol

[Spock]

Shalom, Montana Marv and DRS81.

 

I see no need for Jubilee timing.  70 Sevens are decreed for your people and your holy city to:  complete the six tasks.

 

The six tasks in Daniel 9:24 "Seventy weeks are decreed about your people and your holy city, (1) to finish the transgression, (2) to put an end to sin, (3) and to atone for iniquity, (4) to bring in everlasting righteousness, (5) to seal both vision and prophet, (6) and to anoint a most holy place.

 

1. to finish the transgression

2. to put an end to sin

3. and to atone for iniquity

4. to bring in everlasting righteousness

5. to seal both vision and prophet

6. and to anoint a most holy place

 

Answer me three questions here..

 

1. How many of these tasks have already been completed?

2. Is there scripture that confirms any of these tasks in the great tribulation?

3. Why is there such a huge gap after the 69 weeks, 20 centuries later?

 

It starts to make sense that the 70 weeks is split into two gaps.

 

1. The first three have been accomplished by Yeshua` (Jesus) Himself. The second three won't be accomplished until the Messiah physically returns.

2. Yes. Hebrews 9-11, but the "great tribulation" started in the first century A.D.

3. The "huge gap" occurs after the 69.5th Seven. The first 69 Sevens were accomplished before Yeshua` presented Himself for Yochanan's baptism. The next half a Seven was fulfilled in the initial offer of the Kingdom (Yeshua`s "Ministry"). Then, Yeshua` threw the monkey wrench into the works by pronouncing them desolate until there comes a generation that will say the words "Baruwkh haba' b'shem YHWH," welcoming the Messiah of YHWH as they SHOULD have done in the first century! They're a very stubborn people and haven't fully welcomed Him, yet! (Although, they ARE beginning to come around! They even put teachings and warnings into place to help the Jewish children shun Yeshua`, even though most of them don't have a clue why it's "important," just that it is!) There are not "two gaps," only the one, and it has sufficiently delayed the end of the Seven.

Interesting interpretation here. I've never considered this aspect of delaying 3.5 years instead of the full week (7 yrs), but it may have some merit. I'm not buying it yet, but I will look into it. Thanks.

[Retrobyter]

Shalom, Spock.

 

 

Shalom, Montana Marv and DRS81.
 

 

I see no need for Jubilee timing.  70 Sevens are decreed for your people and your holy city to:  complete the six tasks.

 
The six tasks in Daniel 9:24 "Seventy weeks are decreed about your people and your holy city, (1) to finish the transgression, (2) to put an end to sin, (3) and to atone for iniquity, (4) to bring in everlasting righteousness, (5) to seal both vision and prophet, (6) and to anoint a most holy place.
 
1. to finish the transgression
2. to put an end to sin
3. and to atone for iniquity
4. to bring in everlasting righteousness
5. to seal both vision and prophet
6. and to anoint a most holy place
 
Answer me three questions here..
 
1. How many of these tasks have already been completed?
2. Is there scripture that confirms any of these tasks in the great tribulation?
3. Why is there such a huge gap after the 69 weeks, 20 centuries later?
 
It starts to make sense that the 70 weeks is split into two gaps.

 
1. The first three have been accomplished by Yeshua` (Jesus) Himself. The second three won't be accomplished until the Messiah physically returns.
2. Yes. Hebrews 9-11, but the "great tribulation" started in the first century A.D.
3. The "huge gap" occurs after the 69.5th Seven. The first 69 Sevens were accomplished before Yeshua` presented Himself for Yochanan's baptism. The next half a Seven was fulfilled in the initial offer of the Kingdom (Yeshua`s "Ministry"). Then, Yeshua` threw the monkey wrench into the works by pronouncing them desolate until there comes a generation that will say the words "Baruwkh haba' b'shem YHWH," welcoming the Messiah of YHWH as they SHOULD have done in the first century! They're a very stubborn people and haven't fully welcomed Him, yet! (Although, they ARE beginning to come around! They even put teachings and warnings into place to help the Jewish children shun Yeshua`, even though most of them don't have a clue why it's "important," just that it is!) There are not "two gaps," only the one, and it has sufficiently delayed the end of the Seven.

Interesting interpretation here. I've never considered this aspect of delaying 3.5 years instead of the full week (7 yrs), but it may have some merit. I'm not buying it yet, but I will look into it. Thanks.

 

 

That's as I would expect, and you're welcome.

[Spock]

Ok, I'm back from the courts...let's see where we left off.

Your theory here is very cool. You've taken the 3.5 years of Jesus' ministry and made that the first half of the final week in Daniel. That makes some sense to me. In addition, revelation only takes about 3.5 years and never mentions seven years so this adds some strength to your interpretation.

Now, I have to go back to Daniel 9 and check it out.

I guess you believe in verse 27 " he will confirm a covenant for one week, you must be thinking Jesus is making the covenant with the Jews and in the middle he said, enough is enough, I'm out of here. And the abomination of desolation is next which I assume you believe will happen in the future.

Do I have this about right? Add whatever else you think I need to better understand your position here. Anyhow, I find it interesting while I'm still thinking it out and researching. Thanks again.

Edited December 26, 2013 by Spock