Evidence for Evolution

[HumbleThinker]

So before I start anything, who here is actually interested in discussing the evidence for evolution? I'm not looking to convince you of the factual nature of evolution because I could honestly care less. I'd care slightly more if I met you people in person, but still marginally above 0. Even if you somehow become convinced of the scientific validity of evolution, you still don't have to accept it. I encourage you all to look up Todd Wood, a creationist who accurately depicts evolution as supported by mounds of scientific evidence but does not accept it because he believes the Bible does not allow him to.

What I would like to do, though, is to have an discussion about evolution that will hopefully increase the accurate representation of evolution for all parties involved, including myself. No matter what you believe or why you believe it, God demands we give an accurate account of things. No exceptions. So even if evolution is the most Satanic thing of all time, misrepresenting it for the purposes of discrediting it is still a sin. A sin that can be easily corrected, but a sin nonetheless. And not only is it a sin, it is not pragmatic to do so, for the truth is a much stronger weapon than misinformation. So if there are some among you that realllllllly desire for your words to debunk evolution or convince someone that evolution is wrong, the most pious and effective way to do that is to learn the ins-and-outs of evolution and talk about them accurately.

So now that the prolouge's done, who would actually like to discuss the evidence for evolution? And if you would, did you have something in mind, or would you like to pick a piece of evidence from this site, or would you like me to bring up a piece of evidence first?

 

ETA: Oh, and just as a reminder to keep everyone on track, evolution is the change in allele frequency in a population over time. The theory of evolution is all the mechanisms that are proposed to accomplish this, such as natural selection, random mutation, neutral drift, horizontal gene transfer, etc. Speciation, or the branching off of one distinct population from another due to some form of isolation mechanism, is a result of evolution over usually long periods of time. Descent with modification is a conclusion given evolution and based on multiple independent lines of evidence, or depending on how you look at it another definition of evolution, that states that lifeforms give rise to further life forms that are slightly modified from their ancestor. The conclusion of descent with modification is that all life can be traced back to one or more universal common ancestors. Further evidence would make a single or multiple common ancestors more or less probable. Hopefully these basic definitions can streamline the discussion.

Edited December 8, 2013 by HumbleThinker

[HumbleThinker]

So before I start anything, who here is actually interested in discussing the evidence for evolution? I'm not looking to convince you of the factual nature of evolution because I could honestly care less. I'd care slightly more if I met you people in person, but still marginally above 0. Even if you somehow become convinced of the scientific validity of evolution, you still don't have to accept it. I encourage you all to look up Todd Wood, a creationist who accurately depicts evolution as supported by mounds of scientific evidence but does not accept it because he believes the Bible does not allow him to.

What I would like to do, though, is to have an discussion about evolution that will hopefully increase the accurate representation of evolution for all parties involved, including myself. No matter what you believe or why you believe it, God demands we give an accurate account of things. No exceptions. So even if evolution is the most Satanic thing of all time, misrepresenting it for the purposes of discrediting it is still a sin. A sin that can be easily corrected, but a sin nonetheless. And not only is it a sin, it is not pragmatic to do so, for the truth is a much stronger weapon than misinformation. So if there are some among you that realllllllly desire for your words to debunk evolution or convince someone that evolution is wrong, the most pious and effective way to do that is to learn the ins-and-outs of evolution and talk about them accurately.

So now that the prolouge's done, who would actually like to discuss the evidence for evolution? And if you would, did you have something in mind, or would you like to pick a piece of evidence from this site, or would you like me to bring up a piece of evidence first?

 

ETA: Oh, and just as a reminder to keep everyone on track, evolution is the change in allele frequency in a population over time. The theory of evolution is all the mechanisms that are proposed to accomplish this, such as natural selection, random mutation, neutral drift, horizontal gene transfer, etc. Speciation, or the branching off of one distinct population from another due to some form of isolation mechanism, is a result of evolution over usually long periods of time. Descent with modification is a conclusion given evolution and based on multiple independent lines of evidence, or depending on how you look at it another definition of evolution, that states that lifeforms give rise to further life forms that are slightly modified from their ancestor. The conclusion of descent with modification is that all life can be traced back to one or more universal common ancestors. Further evidence would make a single or multiple common ancestors more or less probable. Hopefully these basic definitions can streamline the discussion.

I'll frame this another way: if evolution were demonstrated as being the process the brought about the diversity of life to your satisfaction, then how would you reconcile that with the Bible? To reassure you once more, I am not trying to convince you of anything so this is not a trick question or a trap. I simply want to discuss our positions and lead both of us to a more accurate appraisal of God's Creation.

[Guest man]

I'll frame this another way: if evolution were demonstrated as being the process the brought about the diversity of life to your satisfaction, then how would you reconcile that with the Bible? To reassure you once more, I am not trying to convince you of anything so this is not a trick question or a trap. I simply want to discuss our positions and lead both of us to a more accurate appraisal of God's Creation.

 

 

 

It can't be done. Not without altering the Word. Evolution has us crawling out of the ocean. Scripture states we were created from the dust of the earth. 

[HumbleThinker]

I'll frame this another way: if evolution were demonstrated as being the process the brought about the diversity of life to your satisfaction, then how would you reconcile that with the Bible? To reassure you once more, I am not trying to convince you of anything so this is not a trick question or a trap. I simply want to discuss our positions and lead both of us to a more accurate appraisal of God's Creation.

 

 

It can't be done. Not without altering the Word. Evolution has us crawling out of the ocean. Scripture states we were created from the dust of the earth.

Thanks for the response! So then I'll reverse the question: how would you reconcile that with God's Creation? If God's Creation cannot be reconciled with the Bible, then why do two of God's works give conflicting testimonies?

[Guest man]

Thanks for the response! So then I'll reverse the question: how would you reconcile that with God's Creation? If God's Creation cannot be reconciled with the Bible, then why do two of God's works give conflicting testimonies?

 

 

 

The theory of evolution is not the work of God.

[HumbleThinker]

Thanks for the response! So then I'll reverse the question: how would you reconcile that with God's Creation? If God's Creation cannot be reconciled with the Bible, then why do two of God's works give conflicting testimonies?

 

 

The theory of evolution is not the work of God.

But that natural processes referred to by the theory of evolution are. And whether you accept this or not is irrelevant to this thread unless you wish to discuss the evidence for evolution. What the poster was responding to was a hypothetical question meant to gauge how one would reconcile God's Creation with the Bible, or vice versa if you prefer, if the ToE accurately depicted the mechanisms leading to the diversity of life. How would you?

[Guest man]

And whether you accept this or not is irrelevant to this thread unless you wish to discuss the evidence for evolution. 

 

 

Let's start here. This photo was taken from the link you provided.

 

There are 14 different skulls here. Where are the rest of them? 

 

Evolution is a slow gradual process. There is no physical evidence of this slow gradual physical change. All the evolutionist has is what it was (A) and what it evolved into (B). There is no fossil evidence of that slow gradual transition.

 

 

 

 

 

What the poster was responding to was a hypothetical question meant to gauge how one would reconcile God's Creation with the Bible, or vice versa if you prefer, if the ToE accurately depicted the mechanisms leading to the diversity of life. How would you?

 

 

The theory of evolution can't be reconciled with God's creation because the theory is false. There is absolutely no evidence to substantiate the claim that all life evolved from a single cell entity. 

[HumbleThinker]

 

And whether you accept this or not is irrelevant to this thread unless you wish to discuss the evidence for evolution. 

 

 

Let's start here. This photo was taken from the link you provided.

 

There are 14 different skulls here. Where are the rest of them? 

 

Evolution is a slow gradual process. There is no physical evidence of this slow gradual physical change. All the evolutionist has is what it was (A) and what it evolved into (B). There is no fossil evidence of that slow gradual transition.

 

 

 

 

 

 

What the poster was responding to was a hypothetical question meant to gauge how one would reconcile God's Creation with the Bible, or vice versa if you prefer, if the ToE accurately depicted the mechanisms leading to the diversity of life. How would you?

 

 

The theory of evolution can't be reconciled with God's creation because the theory is false. There is absolutely no evidence to substantiate the claim that all life evolved from a single cell entity. 

Where are the rest of them? We either haven't found them or they are lost to time. Only a minority of specimens fossilize. We also have more than what are in that picture. 

 

But I'm curious why you focus on what is not there instead of what is there. These fossils clearly show a morphological progression through time. And even if these fossils were the only reasons for understanding a progression, your logic leads us to an inability to connect any two events because we cannot utilize cause and effect. If you put a barrier between two related events/phenomena of X time apart, such that we can no longer make the reasonable conclusion that they are connected, then this requires a great bit of reasoning to back it up.

 

And there is evidence for slow gradual change and the fossil record is a huge example of it as you can see morphological transitions between species and higher taxa. Ring species are another living example of evolution that can be observed right now, specifically intervals in the process of complete speciation. Would you like to discuss one of these or another bit of evidence?

[Guest man]

But I'm curious why you focus on what is not there instead of what is there. These fossils clearly show a morphological progression through time.

 

 

Because what's there isn't proof of anything. The only thing those skulls have in common are that they are skulls. 

[silviawang]

i do not think there are full evidence of evolution,how to explain the DNA?and eye,and Cambrain Explosion

but i have the evidence that GOD is GOD 

 

and.....how to explain the black people,white people,yellow people look like so different?

the science shows that all the human being come from one man