faith vs science.. what vs?

[Enoch2021]

So Enoch, are you saying you require evidence to believe in Christ? 

 

 

 

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Well there Jerry...I surely don't have "Blind Faith"!!

 

And According to the Almighty GOD, there's plenty of evidence to choose from....and, apparently there is NO EXCUSE!!

 

(Romans 1:20) "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"

[Enoch2021]

 

Do evolutionists believe that we evolved through the survival of the fittest? 

Natural selection is a more accurate description.

 

 

 

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Of course "Natural Selection" isn't evolution.....

 

"Prebiological natural selection is a contradiction of terms."

Theodosious Dobzhansky (Leading 20th Century evolutionist)

 

"We fully understand Darwin's fears and wonder what they would have been, had he been confronted with the anatomical and cytological complexity that is revealed by modern biology; he would have been even more worried had he known that selection cannot create anything on its own."

Pierre Grasse PhD, Evolution of Living Organisms,  p.104-5

 

"Moreover, during phylogenetic organogenesis, natural selection must be capable of foresight. Isn't "choosing" its prime function? But the choice cannot take place without predicting the future role of the incipient organ. Without such prescience, the coordination of successive states is incomprehensible. Did Darwin take this into consideration?"

Pierre Grasse PhD, Evolution of Living Organisms, p.106

 

"A major problem in this subject is that there is a multiplicity of meanings for the same terms, and the same terms mean different things to different people...this often leads to confusion in the literature. Natural Selection must not be equated with evolution, though the two are intimately related."

Endler, John A., Natural Selection in the Wild, Princeton University Press, New Jersey, USA, 1986,. page 8

 

‘Selection slows mutational degeneration, but does not even begin to actually stop it. So even with intense selection, evolution is going the wrong way—toward extinction!’

Dr. John Sanford, PHD Geneticist Cornell University, Inventor of the "Gene-Gun"

[jerryR34]

 

 

Do evolutionists believe that we evolved through the survival of the fittest? 

Natural selection is a more accurate description.

 

 

 

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Of course "Natural Selection" isn't evolution.....

 

"Prebiological natural selection is a contradiction of terms."

Theodosious Dobzhansky (Leading 20th Century evolutionist)

 

"We fully understand Darwin's fears and wonder what they would have been, had he been confronted with the anatomical and cytological complexity that is revealed by modern biology; he would have been even more worried had he known that selection cannot create anything on its own."

Pierre Grasse PhD, Evolution of Living Organisms,  p.104-5

 

"Moreover, during phylogenetic organogenesis, natural selection must be capable of foresight. Isn't "choosing" its prime function? But the choice cannot take place without predicting the future role of the incipient organ. Without such prescience, the coordination of successive states is incomprehensible. Did Darwin take this into consideration?"

Pierre Grasse PhD, Evolution of Living Organisms, p.106

 

"A major problem in this subject is that there is a multiplicity of meanings for the same terms, and the same terms mean different things to different people...this often leads to confusion in the literature. Natural Selection must not be equated with evolution, though the two are intimately related."

Endler, John A., Natural Selection in the Wild, Princeton University Press, New Jersey, USA, 1986,. page 8

 

‘Selection slows mutational degeneration, but does not even begin to actually stop it. So even with intense selection, evolution is going the wrong way—toward extinction!’

Dr. John Sanford, PHD Geneticist Cornell University, Inventor of the "Gene-Gun"

 

None of the quotes you presented address natural selection.  If a mutation enhances an organisms ability to procreate and pass on its genes, then the mutation will be passed along, if not the mutation will die with the organism.  Please present some quotes that will refute the basis of natural selection.

[jerryR34]

 

So Enoch, are you saying you require evidence to believe in Christ? 

 

 

 

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Well there Jerry...I surely don't have "Blind Faith"!!

 

And According to the Almighty GOD, there's plenty of evidence to choose from....and, apparently there is NO EXCUSE!!

 

(Romans 1:20) "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"

 

 

John 20 29

 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

[Enoch2021]

 

 

So Enoch, are you saying you require evidence to believe in Christ? 

 

 

 

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Well there Jerry...I surely don't have "Blind Faith"!!

 

And According to the Almighty GOD, there's plenty of evidence to choose from....and, apparently there is NO EXCUSE!!

 

(Romans 1:20) "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"

 

 

John 20 29

 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

 

 

 

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You don't have to SEE something to know it's exists, as evidenced by.....

 

(Romans 1:20) "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"

 

This is a pretty basic concept

 

 

And John 20:29 does not contradict the concept.  And in Fact, Supports it ...."blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."  See the connection?

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[jerryR34]

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[Guest]

Do evolutionists believe that we evolved through the survival of the fittest? 

 

Natural selection is a more accurate description.

 

 

Proving Once Again

 

For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 1 Corinthians 15:21-22

 

God's Word

 

But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death. Proverbs 8:36

 

Is Spot

 

Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. 1 John 2:15-17

 

On

 

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

 

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

 

For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. John 3:16-20

[Guest]

We can converse when you stop with the insults.  Thank you.

 

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Beloved, We Shall See

 

Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever. Psalms 119:160

 

Thank

 

The LORD is my strength and my shield; my heart trusted in him, and I am helped: therefore my heart greatly rejoiceth; and with my song will I praise him. Psalms 28:7

 

God

 

Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints, Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers; Ephesians 1:15-16

 

Praying