The SUN (lets take a look see)

[a-seeker]

 

If you treat Genesis other than a Historical Narrative Conner, of which it EXACTLY IS, then I don't need to refute it......It Refutes Itself.

 

 

 

Yes you do my friend.  Read the posts.  You cannot close your ears to counter arguments; your "it refutes itself" is an evasion.  If you do not know enough Hebrew, then consult someone else.  I am still waiting for Shiloh's reply.

 

Again, I never said that Genesis does not assume historical facts--creation ex nihilo (that is absolutely an historical element--it happened at point 0), God's sovereignty, monotheism, Man as made (historical)  in the image of God.  But the form in which these are communicated are not that of history.  The author has taken poetic licences (don't fall into the trap of opponents who drone on about how Genesis is clearly not poetry because it lacks parallelisms and the rhythm of classical Hebrew poetry--no one claims it is poetry.  Poetic and Poetry are not synonyms) in relaying these historical facts.  He has "framed" them in such a way that they communicate not only history but theology.  And the "Waw consecutive" argument is a subterfuge.

 

clb

 

P.S. it's connOr.

clb

Edited March 17, 2014 by ConnorLiamBrown

[Enoch2021]

I am glad I can be of service.  Really not trying to be a pain, but sometimes I am just amazed at what people get out of scripture.  I have read that passage multiple times and never once did it occur to me it was speaking of conspiracy theories. Is this a determination you came to on your own or was it something someone mentioned and you said "oh yea"?

 

As for the OP, give me a few months and I will get back to you.  I have started to do some research on the subject of ions picking up speed.  On the surface the answer seemed simple, the further they were from the gravity of the sun the quicker they went.  I will find out if that holds water or not over the next few weeks.

 

 

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I'll save you some time.......Look @ particle accelerators, you may find an answer.  Gravity is Non-Sequitur

[Enoch2021]

 

 

 

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I'm saying it's a Turkey Club....you're saying it's Grilled Cheese.  We can move no further.

 

And I've had plenty of discussions with you in the past concerning this issue ConnOr and I've had quite enough, Thanks.  I'm not going through each of your points with a Refutation.....I've done it many times from multiple angles.

 

If you wish to continue down this line of reasoning it's your choice.  You have been admonished not only by me but by Shiloh countless times.  There comes a point where I must let go.

 

If you think science and the WORD of GOD are in Lock Step then we don't have much to discuss.  You may want to tell Worthy Management to go ahead and close down the forum "Faith VS science" because you think and can PROVE they're on the same page.

[a-seeker]

 

 

 

 

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I'm saying it's a Turkey Club....you're saying it's Grilled Cheese.  We can move no further.

 

And I've had plenty of discussions with you in the past concerning this issue ConnOr and I've had quite enough, Thanks.  I'm not going through each of your points with a Refutation.....I've done it many times from multiple angles.

 

If you wish to continue down this line of reasoning it's your choice.  You have been admonished not only by me but by Shiloh countless times.  There comes a point where I must let go.

 

If you think science and the WORD of GOD are in Lock Step then we don't have much to discuss.  You may want to tell Worthy Management to go ahead and close down the forum "Faith VS science" because you think and can PROVE they're on the same page.

 

 

Wrong.  You have never refuted ANYTHING I've said regarding the proper exegesis of Genesis.  All you have ever addressed are the scientific questions raised by the creation account and scientific problems that MAY OR MAY not confirm YOUR understanding of Genesis. Your strength is science, not exegesis. Your "exegesis" relies entirely upon another person, Shiloh.  My last post dealt with the exegetical question and for the first time dealt with the Hebrew: and I have yet to hear from Shiloh (who is usually so very, very quick with the comebacks).  If you dismiss me now then you risk exposing yourself as "afraid of competition".   I do not necessarily think that is true; but it will raise some questions.  There is no way your previous posts have ANYTHING to do with my last couple of posts in "Genesis: obvious reading?"  All of your arguments are completely irrelevant.  Good science, perhaps; but even remotely exegesis.

 

The argument should start with the Word of God and any arguments that deal with that should therefore be faced.

 

Again, you misread me.  To say that Science and the Word of God are in Lock step should be translated: "What scientists are claiming" and "The Word of God as it is intended to be read (i.e its authorial intent) are in lock step.  That is nonsense.  I believe that history as it really is, is in lock step with the Word of God, as the word of God is intended to be understood: of course I do.  God wrote both.  YOu simply cannot or will not conceive the distinction between the subjective and the objective: again, science may be your strong suit, and I appreciate that, but philosophy is not.

 

clb

[Enoch2021]

 

 

 

 

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Well alrighty then,

 

If I have anything more to say, I'll head on over to your Genesis Thread.

 

 

"afraid of competition"

 

Thank You, I did need this.  Are you Calling me Chicken?  Or are you Triple Dog Daring Me?  

[a-seeker]

 

 

 

 

 

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Well alrighty then,

 

If I have anything more to say, I'll head on over to your Genesis Thread.

 

 

"afraid of competition"

 

Thank You, I did need this.  Are you Calling me Chicken?  Or are you Triple Dog Daring Me?  

 

Hahaha.

 

It was a triple dog dare.  I was pretty sure the "afraid of competition" would work.  It was a rhetorical strategy.  I don't actually think you are; I have too much respect for you (well, so far )

 

clb

[Enoch2021]

Hahaha.

 

It was a triple dog dare.  I was pretty sure the "afraid of competition" would work.  It was a rhetorical strategy.  I don't actually think you are; I have too much respect for you (well, so far )

 

clb

 

 

 

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You had me snickering with that....too funny.

 

I'm about posted out for the day I'm gonna call it an evening...maybe another time Connor.

[a-seeker]

 

Hahaha.

 

It was a triple dog dare.  I was pretty sure the "afraid of competition" would work.  It was a rhetorical strategy.  I don't actually think you are; I have too much respect for you (well, so far )

 

clb

 

 

 

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You had me snickering with that....too funny.

 

I'm about posted out for the day I'm gonna call it an evening...maybe another time Connor.

 

Sounds good Enuch....I mean Enoch.

 

clb

[jerryR34]

 

 

Hahaha.

 

It was a triple dog dare.  I was pretty sure the "afraid of competition" would work.  It was a rhetorical strategy.  I don't actually think you are; I have too much respect for you (well, so far )

 

clb

 

 

 

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You had me snickering with that....too funny.

 

I'm about posted out for the day I'm gonna call it an evening...maybe another time Connor.

 

Sounds good Enuch....I mean Enoch.

 

clb

 

coffee out my nose...

[Enoch2021]

coffee out my nose...

 

 

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Did the Coffee "Speed Up" the Further it got from your nose or slow down....that's the question??

 

 

ps.  I had higher expectations for the 1000th Post  LOL