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I just wanted to ask, as I had one of those verses this morning that popped into my head as I had my quiet time.  You know how that happens, you have something come to you, from the Holy Spirit, you go and find it, and then you notice something new in it that grabs you.  Well here it was for me, although I know that it isn't usually big for someone else, but I thought I'd just throw it out there for someone else to post on, if they've come across it as well, and would like to share.  The prominent word in it was "transgresseth".  

It's 2 John 9.

(KJV)  Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

Now, what struck me about this is in the NIV it translates as whoever runs past, runs ahead of the doctrine of Christ.  I thought I'd study that further, and found it very interesting.  It is not the usual usage of the word transgress.  It means:

to go by the side of

to go past or pass over without touching a thing

to overstep, neglect, violate, transgress

so to go past as to turn aside from

to depart, leave, be turned from

one who abandons his trust

abideth:

to remain, abide

in reference to place

to sojourn, tarry

not to depart 1a

to continue to be present 1a

to be held, kept, continually

in reference to time

to continue to be, not to perish, to last, endure 1b

of persons, to survive, live

in reference to state or condition

to remain as one, not to become another or different

to wait for, await one

What's interesting about this is it is also used in reference to Judas in Acts. 1:25

That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.

I just wanted to share this, because I've often wondered in reading that particular passage, what does it mean to "go past" Christ? And how could someone do that?

I also wonder if it has anything to do with Luke 16:16, which is the one passage of Scripture, if I could ask Jesus in person about any right this minute, that one has me intrigued.  I have studied it much, but the Lord has not given me assurance of understanding on it right now, but it is one that has stayed with me for at least a couple of years.  Do any of you have any verse like that, that you keep wondering about, and have not gotten the confirmation that totally answers the question.  I have had it explained to me, but in short, it has not been revealed yet by the Holy Spirit in a way that is complete to me.

I love the Word of God, it is so awesome and beautiful!  It truly is fulfilling and nourishing!

Oh well, now I'm rambling, just wanted to throw this out there.  And if there are no comments, that's fine too, just wanted to get it off the top of my head, it's been there a while.  

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In His Love,

Suzanne

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:rofl: Hey Suzanne~

Isn't funny how when the Lord reveals something to you and you can't wait to go share it with someone, and when you do they just look at you  :sleeping: or  :???:  or  :shocked: .... :taped:  Or they give ya the ol' head nod.....

:rofl: One of my favorite words is; refreshing....

Of refreshing anapsuxeoos  (NT:403). Only here in the New Testament. The word means "cooling, or reviving with fresh air."

Acts 3:19

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

WOW~I know that refreshing.... It is truly wonderful!??!

Much :inlove: and :rofl:  Karen


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Isn't funny how when the Lord reveals something to you and you can't wait to go share it with someone, and when you do they just look at you   or    or   ....   Or they give ya the ol' head nod.....

Oh Karen, that's so true and so funny!  Don't forget this one, it's the one you get when you share that Scripture excitedly with a non-follower, (that's the one who says they're a Christian, but when you mention the name of Jesus, they clear the room)  Then you know they're lookin like this as they scatter  :taped:   (Like you're a nut because you actually love to talk about Jesus and His Word)

Then you go, "What'd I do"  ???  

:blush:

Of refreshing anapsuxeoos  (NT:403). Only here in the New Testament. The word means "cooling, or reviving with fresh air."

Tell me more about the 403, is that the study #in the Hebrew?  I didn't understand, but I won't look at cha funny, I promise.      :shocked:

In His Love,

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:shocked: Hey Suzanne~As the Word reaches into our spirit it begins to "breath life" into our old dead bodies. It's that replacement of what Adam lost I guess. That wonderful feeling of really living for the first time?!?!? You know what I mean?

To my understanding this "refreshing" was not available in the OT times prior to the promise being fulfilled in the coming of the Messiah, (the seed of woman Gen 3:15).

As you read the speach of Stephen (Acts 7) it really sinks in on the rejection the Isrealites had made concerning the Holy Spirit. That was the promise from the start to help them become spiritually separated from the world and to lead the "heathen into a relationship with the one true GOD"! not Worldly dominating like they wanted to be.  

Strong's~Greek.....Refreshing:

NT:403

anapsuxis (an-aps'-ook-sis); from NT:404; properly, a recovery of breath, i.e. (figuratively) revival: KJV-revival.

Acts 3:19

Seasons of refreshing, (seasons, kairoi NT:2540) (refreshing, anapsuxeoos (NT:403). The word anapsuxis (NT:403) (from anapsuchoo (NT:404), to cool again or refresh, 2 Tim 1:16) is a late word (the Septuagint) and occurs only here in the New Testament. Surely repentance will bring "seasons of refreshing from the presence of the Lord."

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Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

That particular verse makes me think of what Jesus told Peter to do after he was converted.

It's a different study, especially when you consider the use of the word converted for Peter at this particular point in time.

If you think of this refreshing in terms of Peter, it really comes home.   :shocked:   Think of what he has gone through, is going through, and what he will go through.

Luke 22:32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

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I'm curious, I've not looked to see yet, but what about

Isaiah 28:12?

28:12

To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

Is that the same one?  I figure you've already checked it out.  Wish I could talk about the Word some more, but I've got to go.  I'll be back later this afternoon or this evening though.  

Sometimes I understand what Jesus felt when He said He didn't need to eat actual food, because the Word of God was His food.  I could just stay in the Word continually and skip food altogether sometimes it is so exciting, and you can get so engrossed in what God has to say.  I just love it.  I think that's why I love to come on here, because it gives me opportunity to study it even more, and sometimes get to talk about it.  

Have a great Saturday!

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Isaiah 28:12?

To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

They would not recieve it.... These are some good commentaries on this subject.

Isaiah 28:9-13  The degeneracy of Judah

The prophet here complains of the wretched stupidity of this people, that they were unteachable and made no improvement of the means of grace which they possessed; they still continued as they were, their mistakes not rectified, their hearts not renewed, nor their lives reformed. Observe,

I. What it was that their prophets and ministers designed and aimed at. It was to teach them knowledge, the knowledge of God and his will, and to make them understand doctrine, v. 9. This is God's way of dealing with men, to enlighten men's minds first with the knowledge of his truth, and thus to gain their affections, and bring their wills into a compliance with his laws; thus he enters in by the door, whereas the thief and the robber climb up another way.

II. What method they took, in pursuance of this design. They left no means untried to do them good, but taught them as children are taught, little children that are beginning to learn, that are taken from the breast to the book (v. 9), for among the Jews it was common for mothers to nurse their children till they were three years old, and almost ready to go to school. And it is good to begin betimes with children, to teach them, as they are capable, the good knowledge of the Lord, and to instruct them even when they are but newly weaned from the milk. The prophets taught them as children are taught; for,

1. They were constant and industrious in teaching them. They took great pains with them, and with great prudence, teaching them as they needed it and were able to bear it (v. 10): Precept upon precept. It must be so, or (as some read) it has been so. They have been taught, as children are taught to read, by precept upon precept, and taught to write by line upon line, a little here and a little there, a little of one thing and a little of another, that the variety of instructions might be pleasing and inviting,-a little at one time and a little at another, that they might not have their memories overcharged,-a little from one prophet and a little from another, that every one might be pleased with his friend and him whom he admired. Note, For our instruction in the things of God it is requisite that we have precept upon precept and line upon line, that one precept and line should be followed, and so enforced by another; the precept of justice must be upon the precept of piety, and the precept of charity upon that of justice. Nay, it is necessary that the same precept and the same line should be often repeated and inculcated upon us, that we may the better understand them and the more easily recollect them when we have occasion for them. Teachers should accommodate themselves to the capacity of the learners, give them what they most need and can best bear, and a little at a time, Deut 6:6-7.

2. They courted and persuaded them to learn, v. 12. God, by his prophets, said to them, "This way that we are directing you to, and directing you in, is the rest, the only rest, wherewith you may cause the weary to rest; and this will be the refreshing of your own souls, and will bring rest to your country from the wars and other calamities with which it has been long harassed." Note, God by his word calls us to nothing but what is really for our advantage; for the service of God is the only true rest for those that are weary of the service of sin and there is no refreshing but under the easy yoke of the Lord Jesus.

III. What little effect all this had upon the people. They were as unapt to learn as young children newly weaned from the milk, and it was as impossible to fasten any thing upon them (v. 9): nay, one would choose rather to teach a child of two years old than undertake to teach them; for they have not only (like such a child) no capacity to receive what is taught them, but they are prejudiced against it. As children, they have need of milk, and cannot bear strong meat, Heb 5:12.

1. They would not hear (v. 12), no, not that which would be rest and refreshing to them. They had no mind to hear it. The word of God commanded their serious attention, but could not gain it; they were where it was preached, but they turned a deaf ear to it, or as it came in at one ear it went out at the other.

2. They would not heed. It was unto them precept upon precept, and line upon line (v. 13); they went on in a road of external performances; they kept up the old custom of attending upon the prophet's preaching and it was continually sounding in their ears, but that was all; it made no impression upon them; they had the letter of the precept, but no experience of the power and spirit of it; it was continually beating upon them, but it beat nothing into them. Nay,

3. It should seem, they ridiculed the prophet's preaching, and bantered it. The word of the Lord was unto them Tsau latsau, kau lakau; in the original it is in rhyme; they made a song of the prophet's words, and sang it when they were merry over their wine. David was the song of the drunkards. It is great impiety, and a high affront to God, thus to make a jest of sacred things, to speak of that vainly which should make us serious.

IV. How severely God would reckon with them for this.

1. He would deprive them of the privilege of plain preaching, and speak to them with stammering lips and another tongue,

v. 11. Those that will not understand what is plain and level to their capacity, but despise it as mean and trifling, are justly amused with that which is above them. Or God will send foreign armies among them, whose language they understand not, to lay their country waste. Those that will not hear the comfortable voice of God's word shall be made to hear the dreadful voice of his rod. Or these words may be taken as denoting God's gracious condescension to their capacity in his dealing with them; he lisped to them in their own language, as nurses do to their children, with stammering lips, to humor them; he changed his voice, tried first one way and then another; the apostle quotes it as a favour (1 Cor 14:21), applying it to the gift of tongues, and complaining that yet for all this they would not hear.

2. He would bring utter ruin upon them. By their profane contempt of God and his word they are but hastening on their own ruin, and ripening themselves for it; it is that they may go and fall backward, may grow worse and worse, may depart further and further from God, and proceed from one sin to another, till they be quite broken, and snared, and taken, and ruined,

v. 13. They have here a little and there a little of the word of God; they think it too much, and say to the seers, See not; but it proves too little to convert them, and will prove enough to condemn them. If it be not a savour of life unto life, it will be a savour of death unto death.

(from Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible: New Modern Edition, Electronic Database. Copyright © 1991 by Hendrickson Publishers, Inc.)

Matthew 23:37

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

[O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathered her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!] How ineffably grand and melting is this apostrophe! It is the very heart of God pouring itself forth through human flesh and speech. It is this incarnation of the innermost life and love of Deity, pleading with men, bleeding for them, and ascending only to open His arms to them and win them back by the power of this Story of matchless love, that has conquered the world, that will yet "draw all men unto Him," and beautify and ennoble Humanity itself! "Jerusalem" here does not mean the mere city or its inhabitants; nor is it to be viewed merely as the metropolis of the nation, but as the center of their religious life-"the city of their solemnities, where the tribes went up, to give thanks unto the name of the Lord;" and at this moment it was full of them. It is the whole family of God, then, which is here apostrophized, by a name dear to every Jew, recalling to him all that was distinctive and precious in his religion. The intense feeling that sought vent in this utterance comes out first in the redoubling of the opening word-"Jerusalem, Jerusalem!" but, next, in the picture of it which He draws-"that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee!"-not content with spurning God's messages of mercy, that canst not suffer even the messengers to live! (See 2 Chron 36:15-16; Neh 9:26; Matt 5:12; 21:35-39; 23:29-32; Acts 7:51-54,57-59.)

When He adds, "How often would I have gathered thee!" He refers surely to something beyond the six or seven times that He visited and taught in Jerusalem while on earth. No doubt it points to "the prophets," whom they "killed," to "them that were sent unto her," whom they "stoned;" for, says Peter, it was "the Spirit of Christ which was in them that did testify beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the following glories" [tas (NT:3588) meta (NT:3326) tauta (NT:5023) doxas (NT:1391), 1 Peter 1:11]. He it was that "sent unto them all His servants the prophets, rising early and sending them, saying, Oh, do not this abominable thing that I hate!" (Jer 44:4). In His divine and eternal nature, as Olshausen says, He was the Prophet of the prophet. But whom would He have gathered so often? "Thee," truth-hating, mercy-spurning, prophet-killing Jerusalem-how often would I have gathered Thee! Compare with this that affecting clause in the great ministerial commission, "that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name among all nation, beginning at Jerusalem!" (Luke 24:47).

What encouragement to the heart-broken at their own long-continued and obstinate rebellion! But we have not yet gotten at the whole heart of this outburst I would have gathered thee, He says, "even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings." Was ever imagery so homely invested with such grace and such sublimity as this, at our Lord's touch? And yet how exquisite the figure itself-of protection, rest, warmth, and all manner of conscious well-being in those poor, defenseless, dependent little creatures, as they creep under and feel themselves overshadowed by the capacious and kindly wing of the mother-bird! If, wandering beyond hearing of her special call, they are overtaken by a storm or attacked by an enemy, what can they do but in the one case droop and die, and in the other submit to be torn in pieces! But if they can reach in time their place of safety, under the mother's wing, in vain will any enemy try to drag them thence. For rising into strength, kindling into fury, and forgetting herself entirely in her young, she will let the last drop of her blood be shed out and perish in defense of her precious charge, rather than yield them to an enemy's talons. How significant all this of what Jesus is and does for men! Under His great Mediatorial wing would He have "gathered" Israel. For the figure, see Deut 32:10-12; Ruth 2:12; Ps 17:8; 36:7; 61:4; 63:7; 91:4; Isa 31:5; Mal 4:2.

The ancient rabbis had a beautiful expression for proselytes from the pagan-that they had `come under the wings of the Shechinah.' For this last word, see the note at Matt 23:38. But what was the result of this tender of all this tender and mighty love? The answer is, "And ye would not." (See Neh 9:26; Ps 81:11,13; Isa 6:9-10; 28:12; 30:8-9,15; 49:4; 53:1; with John 12:37-40.) O mysterious word! mysterious word! mysterious the resistance of such patient Love-mysterious the liberty of self-undoing! The awful dignity of the will, as here expressed, might make the ears to tingle.

(from Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown Commentary, Electronic Database.  Copyright © 1997 by Biblesoft)

They rejected this "refreshing" that we have recieved that is a life changing force in our lives....

Remember the part where the Hebrews are called up to the Mount Sinia, and they ask Moses to go for them? That they did not wish to die? They knew their condition and they wasn't ready to change. Same thing in this Christian dispensation of rejecting santification... They don't recieve the power of the Holy Spirit that fills you at times that you pour out your heart unto the Lord.... The comfort and sweet presence that floods your soul.... Nothing like it. But it can be cut off by our unwillingness to grow and recieve correction too. I know when I am getting into a danger position, you do too?!?!

That is awesome... I love the Lord and want to serve Him and bless His name....

Much  :inlove:  Karen


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Ok, Karen, now that WAS a study!  I especially could see significance in the first section speaking of the degeneracy of Judah.  It kinda reaffirms also what I was trying to understand about Judah in the other thread.  Especially when it refers to the "means of grace" which "they" possessed?  (but that's a whole nother study  :taped:  )  Also, I think it would be wonderful if our country did a mail out of the following commentary on Judah, do you think the US Post office would do that?   :shocked:   What a wake up call it is.  We just die sometimes inside to be able to compel "us" to change, don't we?  I shudder to think sometimes of what it will take (how about the foreign tongues?)  You know about 2 years ago, the Lord really spoke to me about the prophecy Scriptures and something to come that was change, and I now read those particular Scriptures with a different view daily.  It's funny how something that seemed so strange and far from grasping, years ago, now, in so many more places makes so much more sense.

I also like the verse in Isaiah in 30:15, actually that was the one I thought I was going to post yesterday, but the other one was it.

Isaiah 30:15

For thus saith the Lord GOD, the Holy One of Israel; In returning and rest shall ye be saved; in quietness and in confidence shall be your strength: and ye would not.

Although when I first read it in NIV, the word returning was translated as "repentance".

In His Love,

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Isn't funny how when the Lord reveals something to you and you can't wait to go share it with someone, and when you do they just look at you

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DITTO DITTO DITTO !

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BTW, this is a GREAT thread! Keep going ladies, I'm reading over your shoulders!

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      Gen 22:2  He said, "Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you."

      So God "tests" Abraham and as a perfect picture of the coming sacrifice of God's only begotten Son (Yeshua - Jesus) God instructs Issac to go and sacrifice his son, Issac.  Where does he say to offer him?  On Moriah -- the exact location of the Temple Mount.

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