missmuffet Posted April 22, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,993 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,691 Content Per Day: 11.77 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted April 22, 2014 1) If God is dead, there are no moral absolutes and no universal standard to which all men should conform. 2) If God is dead, there is no purpose or rational order in life. 3) If God is dead, any design seen in the universe is projected by men who are desperate to find meaning in life. 4) If God is dead, man is independent and totally free to create his own values. 5) If God is dead, the "real" world (as opposed to a heaven and hell) is man's only concern. The idea that "God is dead" is primarily a challenge to God's authority over our lives. The notion that we can safely create our own rules was the lie that the serpent told Eve: "ye shall be as gods" (Genesis 3:5). Peter warns us that "there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction" (2 Peter 2:1). The "God is dead" argument is usually presented as a rational, empowering philosophy for artists and intellectuals. But scripture calls it foolish. "The fool hath said in his heart, 'There is no God'" (Psalm 14:1). Ironically, those who hold to the “God is dead” philosophy will discover the fatal error in the philosophy when they themselves are dead. Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/is-God-dead.html#ixzz2zYWkvW7I If Jesus died, how can he be alive now, and if he is not dead, how can he be a sacrifice for our sins? If Jesus died how can He be alive now? That answer depends on how we define death.To die does not mean to go out of existence.Death is separation.Physical dealth is when the soul-spirit separates from the physical body.In that sense,God died,because Jesus was God in human form,and Jesus soul-spirit separated from His body.However,if by "death" we mean "a cessation of existence", then,no,God did not die.For God to "die" in that sense would mean that He ceased to exist,and neither the Father or the Son or the Holy Spirit will ever cease to exist.The Son,the second,Person of the Trinity,left the body He temporarily inhabited on earth but His divine nature did not die,nor could it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerryR34 Posted April 22, 2014 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 588 Content Per Day: 0.15 Reputation: 82 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/22/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/12/1969 Author Share Posted April 22, 2014 Yes, One Light. That's what lessons the sacrifice. How can an eternal being give up its life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted April 22, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.22 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted April 22, 2014 If He lives, how can He have died for us? If He died, how can He have been resurrected. Sometimes it is difficult to see the sacrifice when a Being is eternal...Sorry to ask hard questions, but I'm trying to make sense of this especially at Easter time.Do you believe in God, that He is eternal, no beginning and no end?Repeating your question does not answer mine. To understand how God can transform His seed to a human to live as a human, and be raised back to His former Glory, one needs to answer this question in themselves. The God you are asking about, is He eternal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted April 22, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,993 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,691 Content Per Day: 11.77 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted April 22, 2014 Yes, One Light. That's what lessons the sacrifice. How can an eternal being give up its life? When God created Adam and Eve they were perfect.Then they succumbed to Satan's temptations and lies.They disobeyed the will of God by eating of the forbidden fruit. Genesis 2:16-17 tells us that the Lord commanded to the man "you are free to eat from any tree in the garden;but you must not eat from the tree of Knowledge for you will surely die".But God,in His Grace and mercy,provided a way out from this dilemma,the shed blood of His perfect Son on the cross.This is why Jesus came and why He died.Jesus had been with the Father forever but God sent His only son to be born of a virgin so He could relate with humans.He could not come as He was and relate to us very well.So he humbled Himself to be born of a human and in a lowly manger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted April 22, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.22 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted April 22, 2014 OK, now I see your reply.God, who created all there is, understands perfectly well what it takes for a woman to bear a child. He, through the Holy Spirit, planted His seed into Mary, a virgin. Jesus is the child who was born from this pregnancy, God incarnated. He lived as a man in this world as an example to us all, instructing us what the will of the Father was and how we are to live. For this reason, He was crucified and died a human death. After three days, the same God who created all, raised Him from the dead.Yes, He was alive, then died, then was risen from the dead. You see, the flesh is all that dies. The spirit lives on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted April 22, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,993 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,691 Content Per Day: 11.77 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted April 22, 2014 OK, now I see your reply. God, who created all there is, understands perfectly well what it takes for a woman to bear a child. He, through the Holy Spirit, planted His seed into Mary, a virgin. Jesus is the child who was born from this pregnancy, God incarnated. He lived as a man in this world as an example to us all, instructing us what the will of the Father was and how we are to live. For this reason, He was crucified and died a human death. After three days, the same God who created all, raised Him from the dead. Yes, He was alive, then died, then was risen from the dead. You see, the flesh is all that dies. The spirit lives on. Yes,if Jesus appeared to us as He was and not on our level it just would not work.Although Jesus was not excepted anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted April 22, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.22 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted April 22, 2014 OK, now I see your reply.God, who created all there is, understands perfectly well what it takes for a woman to bear a child. He, through the Holy Spirit, planted His seed into Mary, a virgin. Jesus is the child who was born from this pregnancy, God incarnated. He lived as a man in this world as an example to us all, instructing us what the will of the Father was and how we are to live. For this reason, He was crucified and died a human death. After three days, the same God who created all, raised Him from the dead.Yes, He was alive, then died, then was risen from the dead. You see, the flesh is all that dies. The spirit lives on.Yes,if Jesus appeared to us as He was and not on our level it just would not work.Although Jesus was not excepted anyway.Some did expect Jesus to come, others did not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted April 22, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,993 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,691 Content Per Day: 11.77 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted April 22, 2014 OK, now I see your reply. God, who created all there is, understands perfectly well what it takes for a woman to bear a child. He, through the Holy Spirit, planted His seed into Mary, a virgin. Jesus is the child who was born from this pregnancy, God incarnated. He lived as a man in this world as an example to us all, instructing us what the will of the Father was and how we are to live. For this reason, He was crucified and died a human death. After three days, the same God who created all, raised Him from the dead. Yes, He was alive, then died, then was risen from the dead. You see, the flesh is all that dies. The spirit lives on. Yes,if Jesus appeared to us as He was and not on our level it just would not work.Although Jesus was not excepted anyway. Some did expect Jesus to come, others did not. I said not excepted.Look how they treated Him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted April 22, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,246 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,974 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted April 22, 2014 Those that expected him was looking for a king and not a savior....... savior part came first...... king part comes next time. BTW those who were familiar with the first two books of Enoch have no excuse whatsoever for not knowing who Jesus was..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwikphilly Posted April 22, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 96 Topic Count: 307 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 18,143 Content Per Day: 4.61 Reputation: 27,834 Days Won: 327 Joined: 08/03/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted April 22, 2014 Blessings Jerry... I do believe that your questions were answered completely ,I would just like to share a beautiful poem with you......if i may? Jesus Humbled Himself He went from commanding the angels............to sleeping in the straw From holding stars....................................... to clutching Mary's finger The palm that held the universe......................took the nail of a soldier Why? Because that's what love does...... Max Lucado With love-in Christ,Kwik (Our Redeemer lives!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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