Views of Salvation, Eternity, and how they match up to Scripture?

[Salty]

 

 

 

Since such views are ideas from men's traditions loosely based on God's Word, why even consider them?

 

 

The alternative is to choose to be ignorant of major views held by Christians historically around the world. The value in considering different viewpoints is simply to have an examined Christian worldview. You should know what you believe and be able to support it. If you find, however, that you can't support your viewpoint from a Biblical perspective, then there is great value in that alone.

 

 

An "examined Christian worldview"???

 

Is that something our Heavenly Father came up with in His Word? No. It's an idea of man.

 

Men's doctrines are tethers, a rope that ties an animal down so it cannot reach past the length of rope.

 

If the believer stays within God's Word as written, they will have no need... to converse using men's doctrines, for they will already know the difference between man playing religion vs. the real Truth in God's Word. I know children that are more disciplined in God's Word than many of those men who are constantly searching for God's Truth but can never quite come to It because of all the tethers they create upon their own thinking.

 

But if one loves men's shackles instead the simplicity of God's Holy Writ, then I say go to if that's what one wants.

 

 

Yes, men's doctrines are tethers. This is why we need to examine people's ideas and measure them against Scripture. Don't you think?

Lot's of interesting things on this subject regarding knowing what the Bible says and comparing it what man says. See below and feel free to look up the verses in context:

 

 

Acts 17:11

Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so.

 

1 Thessalonians 5:21

But test everything; hold fast what is good.

2 Peter 1:20-21

Knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation. For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

 

2 Timothy 2:15

Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.

 

2 Timothy 3:16-17

All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of Godmay be complete, equipped for every good work.

Do you see brother?

God bless,

GE

 

 

Yes, and when we study all of God's Word, or have a good pastor that goes all the way through in teaching chapter by chapter, then we automatically will know HOW to recognize men's doctrines when they try to creep in. Not everyone in the congregation will at first understand every matter that pastor will be covering directly from God's Word, but over time in Bible study with asking our Heavenly Father and His Son they will grasp more as they keep to it. This is why Apostle Paul commended the saints at Berea, because they were checking Paul out in God's Word for theirselves what he was preaching.

 

We simply need more Churches that help its members to become 'workmen' in all of The Word of God instead of workmen on Bible fragments with men's added leaven doctrines. If all one can do when they speak about God's Word is talk men's tethers then they are not in God's Word but have gone outside it to something else. Our Heavenly Father and His Son, and His Apostles well warned us against leaven fragmentation of God's Word (

 

Mark 8:15-21

15    And He charged them, saying, "Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod."

16    And they reasoned among themselves, saying, "It is because we have no bread."

17    And when Jesus knew it, He saith unto them, "Why reason ye, because ye have no bread? perceive ye not yet, neither understand? have ye your heart yet hardened?

18    Having eyes, see ye not? and having ears, hear ye not? and do ye not remember?

19    When I brake the five loaves among five thousand, how many baskets full of fragments took ye up?" They say unto him, "Twelve."

20    "And when the seven among four thousand, how many baskets full of fragments took ye up?" And they said, "Seven."

21    And He said unto them, "How is it that ye do not understand?"

(KJV)

 

[GoldenEagle]

 

What is the postmortem evangelism view?

that a pretty stiff subject

 

 

How do you mean brother?

 

God bless,

GE

[KC02]

What is the postmortem evangelism view?

 

I'm gonna throw in with shiloh357 on this one with his previous post in this thread. This view is from the Oprah Winfrey Gospel. Anyway, here is an explanation:

 

Adherents hold that there is hope for people even after death to choose the wonderful salvation that is offered through the Messiah. This view is based upon two points. Boyd and Eddy explain: “The first relates to the general portrait of God. The second relates to specific passages that support it.” 

One the first account, adherents of this view paint God as so blindly and brazenly passionate that He pursues mankind to the ends of the Earth, indeed, even beyond the grave.

 

One the second account, postmortem adherents point to Verses such as the very familiar John 3:16 and 1 Timothy 2:4, both which shows God’s strong desire that all men come to the knowledge of His Son. Other verses used to support this viewpoint are Duet. 30:15-20 and 2 Pet. 3:9. These Verses also show God’s desire to save mankind. Although all of these Verses are clearly conditional, that within itself doesn’t weaken the postmortem position as they only claim that men and women will retain the privilege of accepting Christ beyond the grave; thus, death does not seal one’s eternal fate.

[enoob57]

What is the postmortem evangelism view?

that a pretty stiff subject

 

How do you mean brother?

 

God bless,

GE

It was a little on the joking side of dealing with the dead...

But as to topic- it is an easy read to the balance of the subject -God says:

2 Cor 6:2

2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the

day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the

accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

KJV

Rom 13:11-14

11 And do this, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake

out of sleep; for now our salvation is nearer than when we first

believed. 12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand. Therefore

let us cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armor

of light. 13 Let us walk properly, as in the day, not in revelry and

drunkenness, not in lewdness and lust, not in strife and envy.

14 But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the

flesh, to fulfill its lusts.

NKJV

John 9:3-5

3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents:

but that the works of God should be made manifest in him. 4 I

must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night

cometh, when no man can work. 5 As long as I am in the world,

I am the light of the world.

KJV

As you read the above passages they contain the urgency of life 'now'.

If everyone recalls the account of Lazarus and the rich man there was a seal

of the life events upon each man that determined their eternal destiny... One

can understand that the desire to address second chances after this life is

greatly due to the desire to live it up in sin and then get a free pass to

Heaven. However we become what we do and the doing of sin is not possible in

the place of being with God in His eternal home... Love, Steven