gigman7 Posted July 11, 2014 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 166 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 19 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/24/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/01/1965 Share Posted July 11, 2014 Scripture threatens loss of salvation to pre-tribulationists! Read 2 Timothy 2:13 and you will see that nothing threatens the loss of anyone's salvation. If we could lose our salvation, we'd all be going to hell. None of us are good enough to hold on to salvation. But Christ's forgiveness is perfect. He'll never let me go according to 2 Timothy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floatingaxe Posted July 11, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 9,613 Content Per Day: 1.45 Reputation: 656 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/31/1952 Share Posted July 11, 2014 I say you're going to have to explain ... WHY are there are literally dozens of warnings about SIN RESULTS IN ETERNAL DEATH? Simply tell us WHY, okay? In case you were not aware, regular sincere confession and repentance washes them all away! I began this crusade hesitatingly months ago ... after seeing all of these many warnings in Scripture. Our sin is washed away when we first repent...fully and totally. 1 John 3:6-9 (NLT) 6 Anyone who continues to live in him will not sin. But anyone who keeps on sinning does not know him or understand who he is. 7 Dear children, don’t let anyone deceive you about this: When people do what is right, it shows that they are righteous, even as Christ is righteous. 8 But when people keep on sinning, it shows that they belong to the devil, who has been sinning since the beginning. But the Son of God came to destroy the works of the devil. 9 Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they are children of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osterloh Posted July 11, 2014 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 61 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 13 Days Won: 1 Joined: 07/01/2014 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 11, 2014 (edited) I say you're going to have to explain ... WHY are there are literally dozens of warnings about SIN RESULTS IN ETERNAL DEATH? Simply tell us WHY, okay? Our sin is washed away when we first repent...fully and totally. Thanks, we all truly appreciate you ... for thou art a great fountain of spiritual knowledge and understanding also! Edited July 11, 2014 by Osterloh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osterloh Posted July 11, 2014 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 61 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 13 Days Won: 1 Joined: 07/01/2014 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 11, 2014 (edited) “Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.” (1 Cor 6:9-10) This applies to everyone on the planet, and I can show from Scripture that entering the kingdom of God/heaven is equivalent to going to heaven. Now, will these people come around later? … Heb 10:26+ says there is a cut-off point. so tell me please...... do you or anyone else really believe that a born again Christian would have a lifestyle of any of these things... Really??? I suggest that you speak privately to a few pastors about this. But, IMO, there are few who do not come around. Edited July 11, 2014 by Osterloh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osterloh Posted July 11, 2014 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 61 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 13 Days Won: 1 Joined: 07/01/2014 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 11, 2014 (edited) In another thread you said you started this as a crusade. http://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/182301-do-any-of-these-verses-threaten-the-loss-of-anyones-salvation/page-2#entry2125995 That sounds like an agenda rather than an open discussion. I am entering into an open discussion. Please present YOUR views as to WHY there are dozens of warnings written to churches about: SIN RESULTS IN ETERNAL DEATH. Now, to be fair, these verses are strictly talking about habitual unrepented-of sin! I.E. a lifestyle of good olde fashioned old-man type sinning! And this has been done historically by some who erroneously have been indoctrinated into OSAS! I.E. that is why OSAS is from the pits of hell. Edited July 11, 2014 by Osterloh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigman7 Posted July 11, 2014 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 166 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 19 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/24/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/01/1965 Share Posted July 11, 2014 In another thread you said you started this as a crusade. http://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/182301-do-any-of-these-verses-threaten-the-loss-of-anyones-salvation/page-2#entry2125995 That sounds like an agenda rather than an open discussion. I am entering into an open discussion. Please present YOUR views as to WHY there are dozens of warnings written to churches about: SIN RESULTS IN ETERNAL DEATH. Now, to be fair, these verses are strictly talking about habitual unrepented-of sin! I.E. a lifestyle of good olde fashioned old-man type sinning! And this has been done historically by some who erroneously have been indoctrinated into OSAS! I.E. that is why OSAS is from the pits of hell. Sin results in "death" which Jesus took our place. When we are saved, we accept what he has done for us and our sin is forgiven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted July 11, 2014 Share Posted July 11, 2014 It is important to understand something. When Jesus died on the cross, He paid the death penalty of sin for us. We don't incur the death penalty any longer on account of committing a sin. No one goes to hell because they sin. The go to hell because they have not appropriated the free gift of eternal life that Jesus purchased for us on the cross. If I can go to hell as a consequence for a sin I have committed, then Jesus' death on the cross has no meaning, no purpose. It would have been a pointless act. Besides, even if you never committed a single sin, if you lived a perfect life never committing a single transgression and had nothing but good deeds to your name, you would still got to hell because the stain of the sin nature taints your best deeds on your best day. The only person who could live a perfect life and that perfection be acceptable to God was Jesus. Those who are trying to earn or maintain salvation by what they do are only securing condemnation of the law and justifying God's wrath against them as they are not obeying the Gospel and trusting in Christ alone for salvation. Salvation is Jesus + 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted July 11, 2014 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,132 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,858 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted July 11, 2014 “Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.” (1 Cor 6:9-10) This applies to everyone on the planet, and I can show from Scripture that entering the kingdom of God/heaven is equivalent to going to heaven. Now, will these people come around later? … Heb 10:26+ says there is a cut-off point. so tell me please...... do you or anyone else really believe that a born again Christian would have a lifestyle of any of these things... Really??? I suggest that you speak privately to a few pastors about this. But, IMO, there are few who do not come around. If that is so, you should move to Oklahoma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osterloh Posted July 11, 2014 Group: Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 61 Content Per Day: 0.02 Reputation: 13 Days Won: 1 Joined: 07/01/2014 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 11, 2014 (edited) In another thread you said you started this as a crusade. http://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/182301-do-any-of-these-verses-threaten-the-loss-of-anyones-salvation/page-2#entry2125995 That sounds like an agenda rather than an open discussion. I am entering into an open discussion. Please present YOUR views as to WHY there are dozens of warnings written to churches about: SIN RESULTS IN ETERNAL DEATH. Now, to be fair, these verses are strictly talking about habitual unrepented-of sin! I.E. a lifestyle of good olde fashioned old-man type sinning! And this has been done historically by some who erroneously have been indoctrinated into OSAS! I.E. that is why OSAS is from the pits of hell. Sin results in "death" which Jesus took our place. When we are saved, we accept what he has done for us and our sin is forgiven. Okay, great, this is what is taught in Kindergarden. But, the little kiddos who are guzzling milk are not reading Scripture. I have progressed past that stage ... I indulge in the occasional beer. Edited July 11, 2014 by Osterloh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floatingaxe Posted July 11, 2014 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 62 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 9,613 Content Per Day: 1.45 Reputation: 656 Days Won: 9 Joined: 03/11/2006 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/31/1952 Share Posted July 11, 2014 In another thread you said you started this as a crusade. http://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/182301-do-any-of-these-verses-threaten-the-loss-of-anyones-salvation/page-2#entry2125995 That sounds like an agenda rather than an open discussion. I am entering into an open discussion. Please present YOUR views as to WHY there are dozens of warnings written to churches about: SIN RESULTS IN ETERNAL DEATH. Now, to be fair, these verses are strictly talking about habitual unrepented-of sin! I.E. a lifestyle of good olde fashioned old-man type sinning! And this has been done historically by some who erroneously have been indoctrinated into OSAS! I.E. that is why OSAS is from the pits of hell. Sin results in "death" which Jesus took our place. When we are saved, we accept what he has done for us and our sin is forgiven. Okay, great, this is what is taught in Kindergarden. But, the little kiddos who are guzzling milk are not reading Scripture. I have progressed past that stage. Don't ridicule the simple truth of God's salvation message. A child can understand it. Jesus took ALL our sin, it is not imputed to us. If you think that we can lose salvation despite being sons and daughters of God, then you have not progressed past the milk. Take another swig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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