THE SEVEN TRUMPETS,AND THE SEVEN VIALS.

[Salty]

Of course it is not any longer than 7 years. And it is still in sequence. John mentions 42 months of trampling, then 1260 days of testifying, then 1260 days of fleeing, then 3 1/2 years of protection, then 42 months of authority. These all run PARALLEL to each other, and all are speaking of the very same last half of the week. It is not an overlap in His narrative.

 

 

 

 It is my guess that they do not all start at the exact midpoint.

 

 

 

 

How can one deal with this person's reasoning? First he says those times are all parallel to each other, and then later says something different. This person is grossly confused about those things.

[iamlamad]

 

Of course it is not any longer than 7 years. And it is still in sequence. John mentions 42 months of trampling, then 1260 days of testifying, then 1260 days of fleeing, then 3 1/2 years of protection, then 42 months of authority. These all run PARALLEL to each other, and all are speaking of the very same last half of the week. It is not an overlap in His narrative.

 

 

 

 It is my guess that they do not all start at the exact midpoint.

 

 

 

 

How can one deal with this person's reasoning? First he says those times are all parallel to each other, and then later says something different. This person is grossly confused about those things.

 

It is not me that is confused. ANYONE that finds a need to rearrange is confused. What difference does it make if the two witnesses begin their testifying a day or two after the 42 months of trampling has begun? MOST of the time is parallel and both are for the last half of the week. Does a day or a week bother you? Would it bother you if 3 1/2 days of testifying was actually before the midpoint, so only 1256 1/2 days was in the last half? How about the 42 months of authority? Could it begin maybe a month after the 1260 days of fleeing, and still be called parallel time?  Did you not notice that the Beast being caught ends his 42 months of authority AFTER the end of the week? ALL of these 5 counts of time are for the last half of the week, so they run parallel or simultaneously with each other for MOST Of the days of their time.

 

Did you ever stop to think that one could say 42 months and then say 1260 days, and these times be slightly different? If time is given in days, it must be accurate to the very day. Will 42 months have to be accurate to the very day? The two witness' time of testifying will end with their death, just 3 1/2 days before the 7th vial. HOW will the 42 months of trampling end? Will the Beast and His armies pull out of Jerusalem just before the 7th vial that ends the week? Does he know there will be an earthquake? Or is it that he joins with the combined armies of the ten horns that throw in with him for "one hour" to destroy Israel and Jerusalem completely? Why does the 1260 days of fleeing end exactly after 1260 days? Revelation shows us that Jesus does NOT return on the 1260th day.

 

I might add, some people are so confused, they believe one or more of these counts given are for the first half of the week. Thankfully they are not on this forum....yet.

 

LAMAD

[Salty]

Trying to re-arrange the Scriptures is exactly... what YOU are trying to do Lamad.

 

When you agree that the 42 months, 1260 days, 3.5 years are all parallel in timing with "no overlap in his narrative", that means they are all the same timing. And that means their start is the same timing also.

[Montana Marv]

Trying to re-arrange the Scriptures is exactly... what YOU are trying to do Lamad.

 

When you agree that the 42 months, 1260 days, 3.5 years are all parallel in timing with "no overlap in his narrative", that means they are all the same timing. And that means their start is the same timing also.

Salty

 

But they are not all parallel.

 

The first half of the week is 42 months, 1260 days and 3 1/2 years.  The second half of the week is 42 months, 1260 days and 3 1/2 years.  And this with a midpoint in between.  Now one must decide which half of the week do some of these events fall into.  I agree that most fall into the latter half of the week, but one must overlap since it has a 1,260 day period, plus a 3 1/2 day period to be finalized.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Salty]

 

Trying to re-arrange the Scriptures is exactly... what YOU are trying to do Lamad.

 

When you agree that the 42 months, 1260 days, 3.5 years are all parallel in timing with "no overlap in his narrative", that means they are all the same timing. And that means their start is the same timing also.

Salty

 

But they are not all parallel.

 

The first half of the week is 42 months, 1260 days and 3 1/2 years.  The second half of the week is 42 months, 1260 days and 3 1/2 years.  And this with a midpoint in between.  Now one must decide which half of the week do some of these events fall into.  I agree that most fall into the latter half of the week, but one must overlap since it has a 1,260 day period, plus a 3 1/2 day period to be finalized.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

 

The 42 months of Rev.11 and 13, and the 1260 days of Rev.11, and the 'time, times, and half a time' of Rev.12:14, and of the Book of Daniel... are all... the SAME timing. So they definitely do run in parallel. They are all... about the latter half of Daniel's symbolic "one week" of Dan.9:27, i.e., the "great tribulation" timing Jesus warned us about.

 

Per Daniel, in the middle of the "one week" is WHEN the daily sacrifices are ended, and an idol abomination is placed instead, with the Antichrist demanding all to bow to it in worship like Nebuchadnezzar did in the days of Daniel. That is when the countdown of the latter 3.5 years begins.

[Montana Marv]

Salty

 

Rev 13:5 is the first half of the week, when all follow the beast with the fatal wound.  A time of peace and the building of the Temple.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Salty]

Salty

 

Rev 13:5 is the first half of the week, when all follow the beast with the fatal wound.  A time of peace and the building of the Temple.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

Actually it is not. It's the time when the dragon will demand all to worship him.

 

Rev.13

⁵ And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

⁶ And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

⁷ And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

⁸ And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

[iamlamad]

 

Trying to re-arrange the Scriptures is exactly... what YOU are trying to do Lamad.

 

When you agree that the 42 months, 1260 days, 3.5 years are all parallel in timing with "no overlap in his narrative", that means they are all the same timing. And that means their start is the same timing also.

Salty

 

But they are not all parallel.

 

The first half of the week is 42 months, 1260 days and 3 1/2 years.  The second half of the week is 42 months, 1260 days and 3 1/2 years.  And this with a midpoint in between.  Now one must decide which half of the week do some of these events fall into.  I agree that most fall into the latter half of the week, but one must overlap since it has a 1,260 day period, plus a 3 1/2 day period to be finalized.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

 

Exactly! Good point. Some here do not understand that. The 1260 days of testifying begins exactly 3 1/2 days before the exact midpoint. I think the 42 months of trampling are also 3 1/2 days before, simply because John wrote of the trampling first. The 1260 days of fleeing will begin exactly with the abomination that splits the week. So it is clear all five do NOT begin at the abomination.

 

LAMAD

[8thdaypriest]

Prophecy was given so that WHEN it comes to pass, you may believe (Jn 14:29).  Personally, I do not believe that we students of the Word will have it all figured out before it comes to pass.  But it is good to study, and to know what the prophecies say, so that when they do come to pass, we will recognize the fulfillment. 

 

The trumpets are 1/3 1/3 1/3.  The vials are "all" of this and "all" of that. 

 

I was thinking about the 1/3 of things and I remembered that "His tail drew 1/3 of the stars of heaven" speaking of the Evil One - Satan.

 

Could it be that the trumpets will be Satan's counterfeit plagues, to fool mankind into believing that he is Christ come?  Just about every man on the street knows about the 7 last plagues, but few realize there are 7 trumpets.  Concerning "the son of perdition", Paul wrote:

 

    2Thessalonians 2:3-4  “Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.”

    NOTE: The only person who was allowed to sit in the Temple courtyard was the anointed  King - from the line of David.  This alone should tell you who the “son of perdition” is pretending to be.  Yes - Yeshua Messiah - the anointed King of Israel.  He will make fire come down from heaven (Rev. 13:13).  This was the sign of the LORD’s presence for ancient Israel (Lev. 9:24, Num. 16:35, I Ki. 18:38, 2Chron 7:1).  The “fire” consumed the sacrifice on the alter in the court of the Temple.  This scenario requires a Temple be restored on the Mount at Jerusalem.

 

Blessings,

Rachel Cory 

Edited November 1, 2014 by 8thdaypriest

[8thdaypriest]

First Bowl: A plague causing “loathsome sores” (Rev.16:2).
        
Second Bowl:  Every living thing in the sea dies (Rev. 16:3).  

    If the ocean no longer supports life, there is no food chain.  
    There is also little oxygen, because sea vegetation produces 75% of our oxygen.

    Third Bowl:  All of the rivers and all of the springs of water become like blood.
    They will not support life (Rev. 16:4).

    Fourth Bowl:  The sun gets hotter and scorches men with fire (Rev. 16:8).  Possibly a gamma ray burst, or the result of the earth being knocked into a different orbit around the sun.  Many will die of the intense heat or of radiation.

    The “sores” of the first plague may be radiation burns.  John may be describing different effects following the same event.  Everything is set in motion on the day that Christ removes His people and His Spirit from the earth.

Fifth Bowl:  Darkness will cover the “kingdom of the beast” (Rev. 16:10).  

    The beast power rules the entire earth - therefore this plague of darkness will be universal.  

    If a large asteroid were to impact earth, dust would be thrown into the atmosphere, blocking the sunlight.  Scientists believe a similar hit wiped out the dinosaurs.

        Sixth Bowl:  Demonic powers gather “the kings of the earth and of the whole world” for a global war, against the LORD (Rev.16:14).  

    The nations of earth will prepare to fight against Christ as if He is an invading alien force.

    Seventh Bowl: “Every island fled away and the mountains were not found.  Great hail from heaven fell upon men, every hailstone about the weight of a talent [100pds]” (Rev. 16:18-21).  

    This will be the greatest earthquake ever known!  The surface of the earth will be broken apart  to an incredible degree - an earthquake with the power to break apart every known fault over the face of the entire earth.  I do not see a universal flood of sea water here.  If the “sky” is parted, or “rolled up like a scroll,” (Rev. 6:14, Isa. 34:4) that suggests our atmosphere may be disrupted.  If the oceans are vaporized by an asteroid hit, the water vapor may be dispersed into outer space - leaving the planet dry and lifeless.
    
    NOTE: With no clean air, no water, no food, severe heat then darkness, and then an asteroid shower, while the surface of the earth is broken up - do you really think there could be any human life left on this planet!?  Many teach that the saints will reign with Christ, during the 7th millennium, over the nations who survive these last plagues.  It hard to believe that anyone could survive the last bowl judgments.

 

Jeremiah the prophet wrote that he saw the earth after the "great day of the LORD".  He wrote, “I beheld the earth, and indeed it was without form, and void;
     And the heavens, they had no light., "  (Jeremiah 4:23-26). 

 

“Without form and void” (Strong’s # 08414  & #0922) – these are the same Hebrew words that were used to describe the earth on the first day of creation, before God made anything (Genesis 1:2).  The earth was dark, and without life.

 

Personally, I believe that Jesus will return to rescue His own.  He will remove them from the earth, to the City which He has prepared.  THEN the last bowl judgments will be poured out.  The earth will be left lifeless for 1000 years.  Then the LORD will "make all things new" again.  And the redeemed will be "returned to the land", to live forever in the earth made new.

 

Blessings,

Rachel Cory