Gap in the last 70th week of the 70 weeks from the first 69?

[Montana Marv]

The insertion of the gaps is not biblical. The prophecy ends in 34 AD. Now if what i said is not true, the Bible should not continue as if the prophecy was true. In other words the temple was destroyed in 70 AD. Then the tribulation started and the amount of christians slaughtered amounted to 500 million. The tribulation extended DURING the dark ages. (Christians who refused to apostasize christianity were destroyed as Daniel 7:25 said the little horn would make war with the saints). Then the teibulation started to end in 1776 AD when USA opened its doors to the oppressed christians. They fled there. Directly after that after 4 years as Jesus said "immediately after the tribulation, the sun shall be darkened". True to prophecy in May 19, 1780 AD the sun darkened. That day was called "the great dark Day". The moon did not give her light the following night. The stars of heaven fell in november 13, 1833 AD.

When Jesus spoke His outline matthew 24 I don't think He did not mean these when He mentioned the signs and the tribulation.

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If that were the case then Daniels people (Israel) and Daniels holy city (Jerusalem) would be in bliss.  But that is not the case.  Neither Israel nor Jerusalem have completed the six listed tasks.  Has Israel stopped  sinning, NO,  To bring in everlasting righteousness, NO.  To seal up vision and prophecy, NO.  All six are NO concerning Israel and Jerusalem, for this is who the 70 Weeks are for, no one else.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Montana Marv]

 

 

 

 

So was Jesus anti-Jewish for exposing the Pharisees? I am preaching truth. If what I said is not true how come the prophecies happened exactly as the Bible said they would?

 

The Romans in 70 A.D. never fulfilled the "abomination of desolation" prophecy Jesus quoted from the Book of Daniel. Your theory does not align with Scripture.

 

I beg to differ. Not only did the Jews consider the Roman standards brought into the Temple by the Romans an abomination, as well the soldiers sacrificed to them in the Holy of Holies:

 

The Antonia was demolished. The stones were used to build a new dam, this time towards the Temple terrace. The Romans used the dam to set fire to the porticoes on the northern and western side of the terrace, but it was impossible to bash trough the walls. On the tenth of August, the Temple itself was burning. Six thousand women and children were taken prisoner at the Court of the Gentiles, while the legionaries sacrificed to their standards in the Holy of Holies.

http://www.livius.org/ja-jn/jewish_wars/jwar04.html

 

And then the city was desolated. 

 

 

Per Dan.11:31, Matt.24:15, Mark 13:14, 2 Thess.2:4, and Rev.13:11-16, that abomination of Daniel is about an idol involving a 'standing' temple in Jerusalem, not one that burned down in battle with the Roman army in 70 A.D. The desolation reference is a reference to the temple being desolated by false worship of an idol abomination.

 

God already gave us the blueprint for this back in history with Antiochus IV in 165-170 B.C. He took Jerusalem, went inside the temple and sacrificed swine upon the altar desolating it, spread its broth around the temple, and then set up an idol abomination to Zeus, and commanded all to worship it.

 

 

So are you saying that the Roman troops

1. bringing their eagle emblazoned flags (standards) into the Holy of Holies, and
2. sacrificing to them

does not constitute as an "abomination that causes desolation"? 

 

Eagles were considered unclean birds in the OT. So just the act of bringing into the temple a flag with an eagle on it was an abomination. 

 

The Roman troops are not a "he".  The Ruler "he" will set up the A/D.  Titus was a general, not the ruler.  His troops were followers.  Titus was a follower.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

[prophetic774]

I believe the first half of the Last 7 which was 1260 days; began at the baptism of the Anointed One on October 25th AD 29 and ended at the resurrection of Jesus on April 5th AD 33 when Jesus not the anti-christ put an end to all meaningful sacrifices as per Daniel 9:27a.  And so there will not be a 7 year Great Tribulation in the future.  And so the Great 1260-day Tribulation will complete the last half of the last 7 on the Last day of the 1260-day Tribulation at the 2nd coming of Jesus. {Post Trib}

[Salty]

 

 

Per Dan.11:31, Matt.24:15, Mark 13:14, 2 Thess.2:4, and Rev.13:11-16, that abomination of Daniel is about an idol involving a 'standing' temple in Jerusalem, not one that burned down in battle with the Roman army in 70 A.D. The desolation reference is a reference to the temple being desolated by false worship of an idol abomination.

 

God already gave us the blueprint for this back in history with Antiochus IV in 165-170 B.C. He took Jerusalem, went inside the temple and sacrificed swine upon the altar desolating it, spread its broth around the temple, and then set up an idol abomination to Zeus, and commanded all to worship it.

 

 

So are you saying that the Roman troops

1. bringing their eagle emblazoned flags (standards) into the Holy of Holies, and
2. sacrificing to them

does not constitute as an "abomination that causes desolation"? 

 

Eagles were considered unclean birds in the OT. So just the act of bringing into the temple a flag with an eagle on it was an abomination. 

 

 

Not the one written in the Book of Daniel, which is linked in Matt.24; Mark 13; 2 Thess.2; and Rev.13.

 

When Paul revealed the "man of sin" will come to sit in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God, and above all that is called God or that is worshipped, that is about a literal physical temple in Jerusalem. This is how the early Church fathers of the 1st and 2nd centuries also understood Paul. When Jesus iterated the abomination standing in the "holy place", that means in a standing temple, not a destroyed one. When Jesus said don't heed those who will say, "He is in the secret chambers", that is referring to a standing temple complex in Jerusalem. When Daniel says the false one will end the daily sacrifice and oblation at the "middle" of the "one week", and then place the abomination that makes desolate, those sacrifices involve a standing temple in Jerusalem prior to the placing of the abomination idol. Rev.11 also refers to a standing temple in Jerusalem where some worship within it, while the Gentiles are given to tread the city for 42 months, all on the 6th trumpet - 2nd woe timing prior to Christ's coming on the 7th trumpet - 3rd woe, which is at the end of this world, not 70 A.D.

 

Just so happens that orthodox Jews in Jerusalem today already have the materials ready to build another temple, even with the cornerstone and other stones cut. The Land of Israel and Temple Mount Faithful have even tried several times already to place the cornerstone on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem in the past few years.

[Salty]

I believe the first half of the Last 7 which was 1260 days; began at the baptism of the Anointed One on October 25th AD 29 and ended at the resurrection of Jesus on April 5th AD 33 when Jesus not the anti-christ put an end to all meaningful sacrifices as per Daniel 9:27a.  And so there will not be a 7 year Great Tribulation in the future.  And so the Great 1260-day Tribulation will complete the last half of the last 7 on the Last day of the 1260-day Tribulation at the 2nd coming of Jesus. {Post Trib}

 

The fact that our Lord Jesus referred to the "abomination of desolation" event from the Book of Daniel while upon the Mount of Olives overlooking the temple mount with His disciples, directly points to the existence of a standing temple with sacrifices and oblation by the priests.

 

For that Daniel Scripture to be fulfilled, it means sacrifices going on with a standing temple, and then a particular false one ends the sacrifices with the placing of an abomination idol in the temple instead demanding all to worship it per Rev.13:11 forward, almost exactly what Antiochus IV did in 165-170 B.C. Jerusalem. Problem is, Antiochus IV was already dead when our Lord Jesus pointed to Daniel and the temple about the "abomination of desolation" event. Our Lord Jesus was so good to us, that He even gave us a blueprint to follow about the "abomination of desolation" event, the blueprint of Antiochus IV (not the blueprint of the Roman army in 70 A.D.).

[prophetic774]

WHAT ARE THE 3 PASSAGES IN GOD'S WORD WHICH SHOW THAT THE GREAT TRIBULATION AND THE REIGN OF 666 WILL LAST EXACTLY 1260 DAYS OR 42 {30-DAY} MONTHS??

 

**{#1}** Daniel 12:1b,2,7b:  “There will be a time of distress {The Great Tribulation} such as not happened from the beginning of nations until then.  But at that time {The Last Day} your people--*EVERYONE* whose name is found written in the book {Both OT & NT Saints}—will be delivered.  Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt…It will be for a time. times and half a time {Which is also 1260 days as per Rev 12:6,14, or 42  {30-day} months as per Rev 13:5} *ALL* these things will be *COMPLETED.  

 

**{#2}** Rev 13:5,7: The beast will be given a mouth to utter blasphemies and to exercise his authority for 42 {30-day} months {Not 7 years}…He will be given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. COMPARE WITH:

 

**{#3}**Dan 7:25: “He will speak against the Most High and oppress His saints.  The saints will be handed over to him for time {12 months}, times {24 months} and 1/2 a time {6 months}. {Not 7 years}

 

Events in Revelation that will occur during the 1260-day Tribulation are discussed in Rev 6:1 to 18:24, Events that will occur on the Last Day are recorded in Rev 6:12-17; Rev 11:15-19; Rev 14:14-20; Rev 16:17-21; Rev 19:1-21 & Rev 20:9b-15. There is absolutely no reference to any other resurrection before or during the Tribulation in Revelation chapters 6 through 19. The Olivet discourse by Jesus about the End-Times are recorded in Matt 24 & 25, Mark 13 and Luke 21.  Events that will occur during the 1260-day Tribulation are recorded in Matt 24:9-28; Mark 13:5-23 and Luke 21:8-24. Events which will occur on the Last Day of the Tribulation including the 2nd Coming of Jesus are recorded in Matt 24:29-31; Matt 25:31-46; Mark 13:24-27, Luke 21:25-28 and 2 Peter 3:10-13. There is absolutely no mention of a rapture or resurrection before or during the Great Tribulation in the Olivet Discourse passages!! The glorious APPEARING of Jesus and the resurrection of His saints on the Last day of the Tribulation are mentioned in God's Word about 50 other times such as Titus 2:13: “WE wait for the blessed hope—the glorious APPEARING of our Great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,”

 

For example: If the coming of 666 and the 1260-day Great Tribulation starts on April 5^th, 2015 then the 2^nd coming of Jesus would occur exactly 1260 days later on Sepember 16th, 2018. When the 1260-day Great Tribulation begins God's saints will then know the exact day of the 2^nd coming on the Last Day as per: Rev 3:3: Jesus says, “But {*IF*} you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.” I Thess 5:4: Paul said “But YOU BROTHERS {*CHURCH SAINTS*}, are not in darkness so that {*THIS DAY*} should surprise you like a thief.”

 

“70 7'S OR 490 YEARS ARE DECREED TO ANOINT THE MOST HOLY, TO ATONE FOR WICKEDNESS AND TO BRING IN EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS!!”

 

Dan 9:24-27: “70 7’s {490 years} are decreed for your people TO ANOINT THE MOST HOLY, TO ATONE FOR WICKEDNESS and TO BRING IN EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNSS.. "Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree {By Cyrus-Isa 44:28 above} to rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One comes {Oct 23, AD 29?} there will be 7 plus 62 7's {Which is 69 7's or 483 years}. "After the 7 plus 62 7's {actually 1260 days after on April 3-5 AD 33} the Anointed One will be cut off but not for Himself..... He {The Anointed One} will confirm a COVENANT with many for one 'seven'. In the middle of the 'seven' {After 1260 days} He {The Anointed One; not 666} will put an END TO SACRIFICES {ATONE FOR WICKEDNESS}{And then after a long pause} the abomination of Desolation {666} will come {for the 1260 day Great Tribulation} until the decreed end is poured out on him.” on the Last day of the last 7 {See Rev 19:20} And so the first half of the last 7 was already COMPLETED when Jesus put and END to all sacrifices for sin 1260 days after His Anointing which occurred after 69 7's.

 

When the Anointed One came 69 7's or 483 years were 100% completed [see Dan 9:25 above} leaving just one 7 in the future; which will be totally used by those who wrongly believe in a future 7-year Tribulation; which means that the ATONEMENT FOR WICKEDNESS by Jesus about 3 1/2 years after His Anointing can not be included in the 70 7's Prophecy. However, God's Word clearly states that 70 7's are decreed ...TO ATONE FOR WICKEDNESS which occurred about 3 1/2 years after the end of the 69 7's and therefore the first half of the last 7 has already been completed since there are only 3 1/2 times left in the 70 7's. And so the Great Tribulation and the rule of 666 will last exactly 1260 days or 42 months or 3 1/2 times which agrees which God's Divine time periods found in Dan 12:1,2,7b; Dan 7:25 & Rev 13:5.

 

Now many saints believe the reign of 666 and the Great Tribulation are extremely close. I Peter 1:13: “Therefore, prepare your minds for ACTION, and set your hope *FULLY* on the grace to be given you when Jesus Christ is *REVEALED*!”

 

Mark 13:20: Jesus says, “If the Lord had not cut short those {Tribulation} days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom He has chosen, He has shortened them.”The first 69 7's were 365-day years {7 years = 2557 days} but the Last 7 has been shortened to 360-day years and two 1260-day periods or 2520 days. And so God has shortened the last 7 of the 70 7's from 2557 days to two 1260-day periods or 2520 days. And God has shortened the Great Tribulation from 3 1/2 years or 1278 days to 3 1/2 times or 1260 days.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Salty]

The insertion of the gaps is not biblical. The prophecy ends in 34 AD. Now if what i said is not true, the Bible should not continue as if the prophecy was true. In other words the temple was destroyed in 70 AD. Then the tribulation started and the amount of christians slaughtered amounted to 500 million. The tribulation extended DURING the dark ages. (Christians who refused to apostasize christianity were destroyed as Daniel 7:25 said the little horn would make war with the saints). Then the teibulation started to end in 1776 AD when USA opened its doors to the oppressed christians. They fled there. Directly after that after 4 years as Jesus said "immediately after the tribulation, the sun shall be darkened". True to prophecy in May 19, 1780 AD the sun darkened. That day was called "the great dark Day". The moon did not give her light the following night. The stars of heaven fell in november 13, 1833 AD.

When Jesus spoke His outline matthew 24 I don't think He did not mean these when He mentioned the signs and the tribulation.

I have to go. Check out this website http://remnantofgod.org

Thank you.

 

Gaps of time are not Biblical? Says who? Not God.

 

When Jesus began His Ministry and read from Isaiah 61 per Luke 4, He closed the Book without reading the very last part of Isaiah 61:2 - "and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;". He then said to the point He stopped reading was fulfilled that day at the start of His Ministry.

 

29 A.D. from the start of His Ministry until today is how big a gap in years? and that last part of Isaiah 61:2 is still yet to occur, because it is for the time of His second coming, His return.

 

So who is it that says there are no time gaps given in God's Holy Writ? Certainly not The LORD Himself.

[Last Daze]

 

The insertion of the gaps is not biblical. The prophecy ends in 34 AD. Now if what i said is not true, the Bible should not continue as if the prophecy was true. In other words the temple was destroyed in 70 AD. Then the tribulation started and the amount of christians slaughtered amounted to 500 million. The tribulation extended DURING the dark ages. (Christians who refused to apostasize christianity were destroyed as Daniel 7:25 said the little horn would make war with the saints). Then the teibulation started to end in 1776 AD when USA opened its doors to the oppressed christians. They fled there. Directly after that after 4 years as Jesus said "immediately after the tribulation, the sun shall be darkened". True to prophecy in May 19, 1780 AD the sun darkened. That day was called "the great dark Day". The moon did not give her light the following night. The stars of heaven fell in november 13, 1833 AD.

When Jesus spoke His outline matthew 24 I don't think He did not mean these when He mentioned the signs and the tribulation.

I have to go. Check out this website http://remnantofgod.org

Thank you.

 

Gaps of time are not Biblical? Says who? Not God.

 

When Jesus began His Ministry and read from Isaiah 61 per Luke 4, He closed the Book without reading the very last part of Isaiah 61:2 - "and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;". He then said to the point He stopped reading was fulfilled that day at the start of His Ministry.

 

29 A.D. from the start of His Ministry until today is how big a gap in years? and that last part of Isaiah 61:2 is still yet to occur, because it is for the time of His second coming, His return.

 

So who is it that says there are no time gaps given in God's Holy Writ? Certainly not The LORD Himself.

 

That's a good point which brings up the natural question...who is it, do you think, that will proclaim the day of vengeance of our God?  Will it be Jesus as he returns, is it the two witnesses, or the church, or maybe all?  Just curious as to thoughts on it.

 

I'd like some thoughts as well on "to make atonement for iniquity" as being part of what the 70 weeks will accomplish.  I see this as being fulfilled in Christ's death, which, happened after the 62 weeks, if I understand it right.  I'm trying to reconcile this with a future seven year covenant.  Could it be that since the coming of the Messiah took place in the 62 weeks that that in itself is sufficient to cover what he would accomplish, and that His death doesn't necessarily have to fall within the 70 weeks?  Thoughts?

[Montana Marv]

I believe the first half of the Last 7 which was 1260 days; began at the baptism of the Anointed One on October 25th AD 29 and ended at the resurrection of Jesus on April 5th AD 33 when Jesus not the anti-christ put an end to all meaningful sacrifices as per Daniel 9:27a.  And so there will not be a 7 year Great Tribulation in the future.  And so the Great 1260-day Tribulation will complete the last half of the last 7 on the Last day of the 1260-day Tribulation at the 2nd coming of Jesus. {Post Trib}

So how old was Jesus when He was Baptized by John or  at His death.  Be careful, King Herod died in 4 BC.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

[prophetic774]

Actually Herod died about 4 weeks after an eclipse of the moon on January 10th 1 BC or about February 7th 1 BC.  Actually Jesus was born on December 8th 2 BC and his 30th birthday when he began His ministry after spending 40 days in the wilderness was on December 2nd AD 29 which is exactly 30 years after December 2nd 2 BC since you must deduct 1 year going from BC to AD.   Jesus was resurrected on Sunday April 5th AD 33 which was exactly 1260 days after His Baptism or Anointing of the Anointed One which was 40 days before His 30th birthday.

 

Luke 3:23:  Now Jesus Himself was as 30 years old when He began His ministry. {As per OT law}

 

Daniel 9:27a: He {Jesus} will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven',in the middle of the 'seven' He {Jesus} will put an end to sacrifice.