Fez Posted March 25, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 683 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,128 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 1,352 Days Won: 54 Joined: 02/03/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1952 Share Posted March 25, 2015 I agree with Shilo, I had mentioned the other day that these "concert" atmospheres create a false euphoric feeling. You shouldn't need a bunch of loud music and shiny lights to worship and feel the Holy Spirit. Go to any concert and you usually leave feeling awesome about it. But rarely does that carry over into the next day. And to the comment about the claims made by members of Jesus Culture, if anyone believes their claims about their relationship with God, (personal and audible) then they are just as lost as the ones making the claims. Wide is the gate, my friends, wide is the gate...... Proof I guess Im not familiar with Jesus culture. What are the claims they make? One of their all time best songs, and one of my favorites, even today, is "Rooftops"..Watch the video, it is excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 run as fast as you can from Jesus Culture. It is a cultic movement and they are poisonous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted March 25, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 683 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 11,128 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 1,352 Days Won: 54 Joined: 02/03/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 12/07/1952 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Try listening to Kim Walker Smith and her husbands latest CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Fez, Kim Walker is the one who claims to have special communications with Jesus. She is not someone we should be listening to. she claims to have visited heaven and talked with God the Father, and Jesus and claims that God the father ripped out piece of his chest and formed a clay-like model of Kim that he keeps in a box and giggles every time he opens it and looks it. She believes that there is a "Kim-shaped hole" in God's heart. It is complete blasphemy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted March 25, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 269 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,245 Content Per Day: 3.49 Reputation: 8,523 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted March 25, 2015 I hear you ricky. Christianity Today did a poll a few years back and found that only about 1/3 of men in American congregation actively participate in worship. One reason they discovered is what you mention about how feminine the songs are. They have romantic overtones that men have a problem singing to another male figure. I have always had a problem with singing the same chorus of a few words for several minutes. It is more like hypnosis than actual worship. You are right about the shallowness of some of the modern worship. Compare: "When I survey the wondrous cross on which the prince of glory died; my greatest gain I count but loss and poor contempt on all my pride. See from his head, his hands his feet, sorrow and love flow mingled down. Did e'er such love and sorrow meet, or thorns produce so rich a crown?" with: I could sing of your love forever; I could sing of your love forever; I could sing of your love forever; I could sing of your love forever; I could sing of your love forever: I could sing of your love forever; Hi shiloh357, This feminine feel to the songs, comes I believe from the wrong teaching of the Body of Christ being female (bride/wife) whereas God`s word clearly says that that is a symbol of His relationship with Israel. Protestants have wrongly taken on the bride, Catholics, Mary, The world, idolising females, Ancient cultures all had female `worship.` Marilyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proof Posted March 25, 2015 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 165 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 217 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/09/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 25, 2015 No way!!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!!! She's a lunatic!! Okay, so I just watched the video for "rooftops". There are some songs that when I listen to them I truly get the warm fuzzies and feel inspired. But that one, I don't know, the feeling I got was a little off. I didn't like it. Shilo, is there anywhere I can read her account of having had coffee with God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted March 25, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.87 Content Count: 43,799 Content Per Day: 6.19 Reputation: 11,244 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 25, 2015 I hear you ricky. Christianity Today did a poll a few years back and found that only about 1/3 of men in American congregation actively participate in worship. One reason they discovered is what you mention about how feminine the songs are. They have romantic overtones that men have a problem singing to another male figure. I have always had a problem with singing the same chorus of a few words for several minutes. It is more like hypnosis than actual worship. You are right about the shallowness of some of the modern worship. Compare: "When I survey the wondrous cross on which the prince of glory died; my greatest gain I count but loss and poor contempt on all my pride. See from his head, his hands his feet, sorrow and love flow mingled down. Did e'er such love and sorrow meet, or thorns produce so rich a crown?" with: I could sing of your love forever; I could sing of your love forever; I could sing of your love forever; I could sing of your love forever; I could sing of your love forever: I could sing of your love forever; Hi shiloh357, This feminine feel to the songs, comes I believe from the wrong teaching of the Body of Christ being female (bride/wife) whereas God`s word clearly says that that is a symbol of His relationship with Israel. Protestants have wrongly taken on the bride, Catholics, Mary, The world, idolising females, Ancient cultures all had female `worship.` Marilyn. He calls us the Bride. http://www.openbible.info/topics/the_bride_of_christ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted March 25, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.87 Content Count: 43,799 Content Per Day: 6.19 Reputation: 11,244 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Author Share Posted March 25, 2015 While the discussion is good, I think I will start another topic on songs. Im curious what folks consider good worship songs. Especially you shiloh. I have agreed with much if not all you have said on this topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricky Posted March 25, 2015 Group: Senior Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 508 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 216 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/04/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/09/1985 Share Posted March 25, 2015 No way!!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!!! She's a lunatic!! Okay, so I just watched the video for "rooftops". There are some songs that when I listen to them I truly get the warm fuzzies and feel inspired. But that one, I don't know, the feeling I got was a little off. I didn't like it. Shilo, is there anywhere I can read her account of having had coffee with God At the about to be former congregation I attend they sing that one frequently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proof Posted March 25, 2015 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 165 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 217 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/09/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted March 25, 2015 Ricky, Why are they about to be "former"? Just curious because I'm about to have a former congregation myself.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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