Biblical Time keeping

[Guest]

Thats a bit of a stretch. and I think you know it. If you wont take genesis 2 for evidence, how about Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned. Paul basically laid it out for you in black and white-before sin, there was no death. If thats not clear enough, Paul emphasizes it again in 1 corinthians 15:21-22 For since by man, came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in adam, all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

 

Death was not around before the fall, and as you can see, plainly, it is viewed as a bad thing-a bad thing that Christ came to save us from. That theme is repeated throughout the new testament, if death was a good thing, then there would be no need for Christ to save us from it. If you are going to argue long age of the earth is in the Bible-then argue it, but don't use this argument, because it is clearly in violation with scripture, and the very reason Christ died for us. If your only way of making millions of years and evolution fit with the Bible, is to contradict scripture, then I urge you to reconsider your view on science-because that is probably the worst argument I have heard yet.

 

 

The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 1 Corinthians 15:26

[Proof]

Well hold on...... He came to save us from spiritual death. We are all going to have a mortal death.. And that is what was being referred to before the fall of man. So you cant use spiritual death in this context.

[The_Patriot21]

Yes you can. In the verses I used as well as the one Fresno posted, both spiritual and physical death can be used interchangeably-and be accurate. When Christ comes back and sets up His kingdom, there will be no more death-either physically or spiritually. That is Gods promise-eternal life. If death was a good thing-then what makes eternal life better?

[Guest]

Well hold on...... He came to save us from spiritual death....

 

We are all going to have a mortal death....

 

And that is what was being referred to....

 

before the fall of man....

 

 

So you cant use spiritual death....

 

in this context....

 

 

The Master's

 

The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 1 Corinthians 15:26

 

Voice

 

And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

 

Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

 

And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life;

 

and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection

 

of damnation. John 5:27-29

[Kan]

I somehow fail to see the comparison. Jesus didn't die to refuel us, Jesus died to save us because we are broke.

 

Re tree of life, - Adam would have to eat from it, from time to time.

[The_Patriot21]

I don't see where that's biblical either kan. Sorry, but I don't see that in scripture.

[alphaparticle]

Here is my hang up with all of this:

 

Gen 2:17

"...but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

 

But, Adam and Eve did eat from that tree, and did not physically die that day. So what possible interpretation of this is there except that Gen 2:17 refers to spiritual, and not physical, death? I can think of two things, one is, God is talking about spiritual death in that verse. The second option is, 'in that day' didn't mean that same 24 hr period. Either way you are going to run into an interesting conclusion.

 

As far as what Kan said:

 

Gen 3:22

Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—”

 

It seems like a valid possibility given the verse above.

[The_Patriot21]

The thing is, God didn't say it would be an immediate death, just that they would die that came true both spiritualy and physically. The mistake is to assume that God was only talking about one there. God removed them from the garden to prevent them from eating from the tree of life.

I think that saying they didnt die before the fall due to that tree is a stretch, but regardless of whether that tree kept them from dying beforehand or they simply didn't die, either way, there was no death before the fall, that is not biblical. Death is not good, that is a theme found throughout the bible.

[alphaparticle]

GOd said they would die in the day of eating from the tree. They did not physically die that same day. Now I am wondering what is meant by 'no death' and have to conclude either the day there should not be taken as a 24 hr period, or death in this context does not meant physical death. Either way there is some ambiguity.

[The_Patriot21]

Where does it say they would die that day alpha?