MorningGlory Posted July 16, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.10 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted July 16, 2015 shiloh357 wrote - We don't have a failed military. We have a leftist and a failure in the White House. Stuff like this is a good example as to why we don't need another socialist, pro-Muslim, pro-gay liberal in charge. Obama didn't support the repressive regime of the Pahlavi, Obama didn't supply the materials for chemical weapons to Iraq to use on Iran, Obama wasn't involved with Iran/Contra, Obama didn't start the Iraq war on false premises and then turn the country to chaos, ...so tell us about the republican failures that started this mess. Tell me too why Iran should have any trust in the United States that supplied the material and supported the use of nerve and toxic gases that took the lives of tens of thousands of Iranians? Of course everyone, mostly repubs, were eager to bomb Syria for using chemical weapons ... such hypocrites. I appreciate the myopia and extreme bias that causes one to neglect history and heap all of the ills domestically and in the world on the current administration but some rational people are capable of a more objective view. Hmmmm....do I detect a little Anti-American sentiment here? I've heard all of the above before but, before you go blaming the conditon of the world on the U.S., YOU need to reread history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldzimm Posted July 16, 2015 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 85 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 1,874 Content Per Day: 0.34 Reputation: 348 Days Won: 12 Joined: 03/10/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/08/1955 Share Posted July 16, 2015 shiloh357 wrote - We don't have a failed military. We have a leftist and a failure in the White House. Stuff like this is a good example as to why we don't need another socialist, pro-Muslim, pro-gay liberal in charge. Obama didn't support the repressive regime of the Pahlavi, Obama didn't supply the materials for chemical weapons to Iraq to use on Iran, Obama wasn't involved with Iran/Contra, Obama didn't start the Iraq war on false premises and then turn the country to chaos, ...so tell us about the republican failures that started this mess. Tell me too why Iran should have any trust in the United States that supplied the material and supported the use of nerve and toxic gases that took the lives of tens of thousands of Iranians? Of course everyone, mostly repubs, were eager to bomb Syria for using chemical weapons ... such hypocrites. I appreciate the myopia and extreme bias that causes one to neglect history and heap all of the ills domestically and in the world on the current administration but some rational people are capable of a more objective view. Hmmmm....do I detect a little Anti-American sentiment here? I've heard all of the above before but, before you go blaming the conditon of the world on the U.S., YOU need to reread history. I just think Tolken needs to stop drinking the Obama Kool-Aid. When Tolken says " How many unborn babies did Reagan or either Bush save? (Obviously I’m opposed to abortion but there were more abortions under Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and GW Bush than Obama’s – meaningless but a point nonetheless)", I'm like "Really", Reagan and the Bush's at least made attempts to save babies, how many attempts did Obama make, Oh that's right Obama said he was pro abortion because didn't want his daughters to be burdened with an unwanted pregnancy. Saying more abortions were done during the previous seven terms before Obama is like saying more people were killed in car accidents between 2008 and 2014 then were killed in 1015........NO Kidding, who would have thought, there is no point made. So how can anybody opposed to abortion fall head over heals for Obama? Oldzimm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 The criticism we level against Obama is warranted. It is more than warranted. And I am not going to give credit to Obama for what has been happening all along. The rich have always been getting richer even before Obama was president. Tolkien can't really defend Obama so his only recourse is to try to shame former presidents, as if that somehow justifies Obama. I am not going to baited into a such a ridiculous line of argumentation. Obama supports Abortion, gay marriage, is pro-Muslim and when the chance came to free our American hostages over in Iran, this liberal, good for nothing administration didn't lift a finger during negotiations to even try to get them set free. All Obama wanted was a deal. He didn't care at all about what happens to our people being held prisoner there. I am glad CBS' Major Garrett embarrassed Obama about his lack of caring regarding our hostages and I am glad that Garrett wrecked Obama's victory dance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tolken Posted July 16, 2015 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 405 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 98 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/27/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted July 16, 2015 Morning Glory wrote - I've heard all of the above before but, before you go blaming the conditon of the world on the U.S., YOU need to reread history. My points and info were quite specific to the Middle East, please point out to me the information asserted that was factually and historically incorrect? When I criticized my children’s behavior or decision making it was not out of hate...I can criticize the SJC overstepping it’s bounds with both abortion, citizens united, and ss marriage without hating all judiciary. I can support certain of Obama's policies and criticize others... and I don't need to use pejorative labels. oldzimm – haven’t had kool-aid in 50 years...should probably try it again for old time sake. To the point to a degree I do defend some of the particulars with Obama only because it is so very tiring listening to the ill-informed blame most everything on this current administration. shiloh357 wrote - can't really defend Obama so his only recourse is to try to shame former presidents, as if that somehow justifies Obama. I am not going to baited into a such a ridiculous line of argumentation. Yes, I very well am able to defend Obama on particular issues, and you weren’t “baited” you could have responded to the information as opposed to simply name calling Obama. “Trying to shame former presidents” really? My point again and again is that our current situation is the culmination of past ill advised actions so no intent to “shame” simply asserting the facts. I notice that nobody questioned the info by asserting opposing information. It is interesting does anyone actually read other people’s posts? Also, “All Obama wanted was a deal”...you do realize that there were 5 other countries involved, don’t you. In fact somewhere I had read that France was pushing Iran hard on a particular part ... so characterize or mischaracterize it as you want. Further, there are innumerable experts that think it is a good deal, ...and it was to deal with nuclear issues nothing else. I would think Christians would pray and be hopeful that this new direction could work and that over time things might change. And Major Garrett asked a stupid question...the negotiations concerned nuclear restraints, anyone who can’t understand or comprehend that fact, and beyond that this is a possible first step that could resolve other issues such as hostages. So I guess I’m pro-Muslim because I firmly believe it is time we looked to other solutions other than aggression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 Actually Garrett asked the right question and he was right to embarrass Obama. I wish more people had the courage to do what he did. Unfortunately, the media is, generally, in Obama's back pocket. With four US hostages, we should have tried to get our people released. But we didn't. Our hostages are apparently expendable. It's politics before people. To be face to face with those holding our people hostage and say and do nothing, only lowers the respectability of the administration. Iran will violate this deal and the sanctions will not "snap" back in place. This administration never keeps their word and the Iranians never keep their word either. Don't expect any of the nations to actually enforce anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 And now, showing just how bad this deal is, the US inspectors are banned from inspecting Iran's nuke facilities. Yeah, this just gets worse by the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FresnoJoe Posted July 17, 2015 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 207 Topic Count: 60 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,651 Content Per Day: 1.17 Reputation: 5,761 Days Won: 4 Joined: 01/31/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/04/1943 Share Posted July 17, 2015 And now, showing just how bad this deal is, the US inspectors are banned from inspecting Iran's nuke facilities. Yeah, this just gets worse by the day. Nothing Changes On The Iranian Side Nothing Changes On God's Side And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth. Ezekiel 14:12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Listen to Glenn Beck... http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-the-text-of-the-iran-nuclear-framework-agreement-2015-4 I thought Glenn Beck is Mormon. He is, but he has a good news show.... do you discount everything a Mormon says????/ When it comes to anything that has to do with God...yes. so what does this thread have to do with God???? Everything has to do with GOD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted July 18, 2015 Share Posted July 18, 2015 The more I read about this "deal" the worse it gets. Not only are US inspectors banned from inspecting Iran's nuke labs/facilities, but Iran also gets 24 days notice of upcoming inspections Do you know how much evidence you can get rid of in 24 days??? What if law enforcement and the DEA called up marijuana growers and said, "we are going to be searching your property for MJ." This will completely defeat the purpose of an inspection. Inspections are pointless if they are not a surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tolken Posted July 18, 2015 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 405 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 98 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/27/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted July 18, 2015 shiloh357 - The more I read about this "deal" the worse it gets. Depends on what one chooses to read. First let us not forget who initiated the nuclear program in Iran, and also many experts have claimed that Iran could have produced nuclear weapon material for years. And let us not distort the facts 24/7 IAEA oversight at nuclear facilities, it is military sites that require notice. Again, many experts claim how virtually impossible it would be to "hide" nuclear endeavors in such a short time frame. It really is difficult to be objective ... and given that the general consensus here is that our administration can't be trusted than why should Iran? or is that IAEA can't be trusted also? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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