What God's All About

[Deez131]

Once again those of you who have no faith try to corrupt those of us who do. Jesus clearly told us that faith is the key to answered prayer, and there were no stipulations. I refer to verses:

Matthew 21:22

If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.

[Deez131]

God is omnipresent, all places at all times. There is no room for adversity. No room for sickness and no room for lack. Those who are experiencing these things are not experiencing God's kingdom, rather they are experiencing their own man made hell.

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So, lemme guess.....when you're sick or experiencing trials in your life, you're just not being faithful enough, right?

[Deez131]

Marine,

Believe nothing because a wise man said it.

Believe nothing because it is generally held.

Believe nothing because it is written.

Believe nothing because it is said to be divine.

Believe nothing because someone else believes it.

But believe only what you yourself judge to be true.

And I do not judge it to be true that God blesses some and punishes others. Nor do I judge it to be true that I am living a pre-written script, that I am part of some master plan. And I have no need for a God to return some day, because the one that is here now is sufficient for me.

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Wow. I'm just about speechless. Just about. Have you ever read Jeremiah 17:9? It's telling us that we CAN'T trust our feelings because they are constantly changing. They don't stay constant - like the truth. You believe what YOU judge to be true? Well, what if someone else believes something else to be true? What if you believe contradictory messages? Then what? Who is right? Whoever believes the strongest? Truth exists whether you or anyone else believes it or not - whether you like it or not. We have to have a basis to which we can judge WHAT is true. God is not the author of confusion.

Acts 17:11 - Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.

No where in there does it say to believe only what you, yourself judge to be true.

As for your other statement....you have no need for God to return someday? Yikes man, that's pretty arrogent. I just don't seem to have the words.....

[Matthitjah]

Tubal,

Can you keep yourself from the grave?

Peace,

Dave

[Guest His_Servant]

Good question.

[Guest shiloh357]

I hear all these people claiming to have a personal relationship with Jesus. They claim to walk and talk with him everyday. If that's the case, Jesus must already be here....so what are they waiting for? A physical manifestation? Spirit and physical are two different things. God is spirit and can only be communed with in spirit. Therefore, those who wait on a physical God to appear, are missing the boat.

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Actually, Jesus lives in our hearts in the person of the Holy Spirit. And yes, we walk and talk each day with Jesus, even though He is not physcially on the earth. He said that He would never leave us, or forsake us! You need to read the Scriptures. Jesus will return in bodily form. He will rule the earth for a thousand years from His throne in Jerusalem. After that, the New Jerusalem will descend from Heaven according to the book of Revelation and God the Father and man will live together. It will literally be Heaven on Earth.

[Guest shiloh357]

Actually Tubal it depends on what verses you are reading. You are making an unsupportable carte blanche statement. I study and read Hebrew. The Hebrw word for heart "lev" can mean "intellect" in some places. You cannot just simply say that heart means "mind." That is nonsense. Hebrew has several words for mind in the OT. Words like "Ruach, Nephesh, Peh, Min-nay, yetser, are all words for mind and have nothing to do with the heart.

The Bible makes distinctions between heart and mind, even in the new Testament.

Phi 4:7  And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

Our heart is our innermost being, what Peter calls, The hidden man of the heart. Man is, according to Scripture, Spirit, Soul and Body. We are three. The Spirit and heart are used interchangeably. The Soul is the mind, and the Bible makes a clear disinction between Spirit and Soul. Man is a spirit, he has a soul and lives in a body. My mind will die, but my Spirit will go on through all eternity.

I don't need astronomy to quote from Revelation. That is nonsense. The book of Revelation makes it perfectly clear what is going to happen, and that Jesus will return to this earth and physcially reign upon it. I don't need astronomy to explain that to me.

[Guest shiloh357]

Thank you for the lesson in Hebrew, but all you did was agree with my point that the word heart, was not, except in obvious situations, referring to the physical blood pumping organ in your body.

Man's true essence is spirit, as you have said, and since God is the source of spirit, spirit must be blameless and pure, and only the intellect, psyche, or mind, which you say will die, can be blamed for sin. Spirit is already a part of God, therefore has no need for another God to reside within it.

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No, I did not agree with you at all. The word heart is used quite often as a reference to the Spirit.

You are also wrong about the spirit. The Spirit is the heart of man, and is sinful until it is regenerated by the Holy Spirit. They Holy Spirit resides in us, whether you like it or not. The human spirit is not a part of God, but a separate entity. The Holy Spirit is the ony "Spirit" that is part of God.

The mind or soul is in a process of sanctification, after a person is saved. Salvation is a three fold process. Justification, Sanctification and Glorification. Our hearts (or spirits) are justified at the moment of salvation, our minds (or souls) are being sanctified, and one day our bodies will live again, glorified. One day our Spirit, mind and body will be reunited at the coming of the Lord, and each will be perfectly whole. Until that time, we have the Holy Spirit living within us. I suggest you read your Bible better, cause you dont know what you are talking about.

Jesus lives in us in the person of the Holy Spirit.

Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Jo 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Here is another one of your errors:

Therefore, those who wait on a physical God to appear, are missing the boat.

Act 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

Act 1:10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

Act 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Jesus' return WILL be physical. Tubal, you need to read the Bible more and talk about it less. You are nothing less than a blind guide.

[Guest Jacee]

I thought this is an awesome topic. To see through the eyes of God. We all want God to look at us through the eyes of His son; but then do not do the same for those around us. Could be the beginning of perception or discernment if we would just ask for it. And maybe a true walk of love?