Territorial Spirits

[Ovedya]

My position is simply this: the Bible does not describe whether there are territorial spirits or not, so I will not promote what is basically conjecture as an authentic Biblical teaching within the church.

It's fun to talk about these things and speculate, and share our own perspectives. But when all is said and done we must rely on the Bible. Otherwise we are resting upon the vain imaginations of fallen humanity.

BTW: Bud, thanks for pointing out that the angel Jacob wrestled with was probably the pre-incarnate Christ. I had known that before posting, but I wanted to point out that what the Bible describes as an angel might not be every time. I was probably not clear enough in that response.

[eric]

Quoe. koni.

Yes, i believe that there are territorial spirits over cities, and certain places. I also don't believe that you can dispell any enemy by ignoring thier existance. They have to be dealt with, otherwise they stay and have thier way. Just imagine what would happen to our troops over in Iraq if they just simply chose to ignor the presence of the enemy and just relied on president Bush to keep them safe.

Koni, although I see the point you are trying to make, but IMO it is hardly a good anology. I dont think you can compare Bush's authority over that of the Lords. I am fully aware of the power of satan and his followers and that power is operative all round the globe, just not in certain places. Bush will not win this war, nor will Tony Blair, El Quaida or the UN. Christians who are obedient to the word of God have nothing to fear. Satan/demons can only attack individuals if they give him a foothold, by not abiding in Christ. If anyone goes to church on Sundy night and comes home and sits down and watches an X rated movie, he has stepped outside the protection of God's covering and is in the enemy territory. You either walk in the dark or you walk in the Light of the world, who Jesus said HE was. There are no grey areas unless you go looking for them.

those are my observations at any rate.

cheers, eric.

[Dad Ernie]

My position is simply this:  the Bible does not describe whether there are territorial spirits or not, so I will not promote what is basically conjecture as an authentic Biblical teaching within the church.

Greetings Ovedya,

Well given the FACTS that Michael is the "Prince over Israel", (a good angel) and that the "Prince of Persia" refers to an "evil angel", AND "we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against powers and principalities in Heavenly places", I guess I will just stick with what the Bible says, at least my Bible.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[Dad Ernie]

So please stop being so pompous and give a few more people a bit more credit for their opnions without you telling them they dont know what they are talking about, which is quite often the case with you. Even you dont know it all.

Greetings Eric,

It is true "I do not know it all", and for your information, I too am not fearful of the powers in heavenly places. All they can do is destroy the body, but they cannot destroy the soul.

It is YOUR posts that appear pompous when it comes to "dignitaries" of which you apparently have had little experience. I think you would find many of the "mature" Christians in this forum that think much like I do. We do battle every day against those powers in Heavenly places, and if I did not make it plain before, I recommend that you give more respect to those evil dignitaries.

I do not see a lot of posts on these superior entities on this forum, and I also do not see a lot of Christians worrying about them, so I do not understand some of your remarks which seem to say that we "worry" to much about them.

We are all born again spirit filled Christians here at least that I know of and your slander of us, even slight, is unwarranted.

In any case, I am sorry if you were so offended. I was hoping to chide you into giving more thought about being more respectful.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[eric]

Dad Ernie, Let me assure you that you never offended me. I'm too long in the tooth to be offended. What I did say though, was that your attitude is offensive. Furhthermore if You can show me where I have slandered any one on this board, I would be glad for you to show me the evidence. Now I dont know anything about these evil dignitaries you are on about, but I've been around this board long enough to know what many of these "mature" christians, as you call them, and I agree with you there, regard as the gospel.

So chill out DE, you are beginning to bring the worst side of me.

cheers,

eric.

[eric]

Dad Ernie, I am still waiting for you produce a posting or any other evidence that will prove that I have ever slandered any member of this forum or any forum on worthy boards. I do not take kindly to being accused of any such behaviour from anyone.

cheers,

eric.

[RustyAngeL]

I've been hearing a bit about "territorial spirits" i.e., evil spirits that rule over a community, village, town, city or country; that is, they rule over a geographical area.

Do you think this is a valid belief?

warm regards

-bud

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Ever read the books."This Present Darkness" Or Percing The Darkness" They are both book about just this issue. Both center on one town..You read about the people in the town, the spirits that are trying to rule over it and the angles of God. They all have names and you can almost see their faces. I couldn't put them down. Read them if you can.

[Dad Ernie]

I am still waiting for you produce a posting or any other evidence that will prove that I have ever slandered any member of this forum or any forum on worthy boards. I do not take kindly to being accused of any such behaviour from anyone.

Greetings Eric,

Here are YOUR words:

It appears to me that more and more people are seeking spirits when they should be seeking Christ. Like someone mentioned on another thread. You can always find a demon if you go looking for one, but I have faith in Christ to keep me free. After all He had the victory over the grandaddy of all demons at Calvary. If you are scared of demons. you're not focusing on Christ, who promised never to leave us or forsake us.

so what if there are territorial spirits. If God is for us, who can come against us. I still think christians are worrying about spirits too much. JMO. If you keep worrying about spirits, by the time you are my age, you'll be a nervous wreck. Ever heard of paranoia?

Who were you speaking to here? (highlighted in red) If not us on the forum, then who. I respond to many different posts in many sections of this forum, and I suspect I have been around here a bit longer than you have. It is only on occasion that someone brings up the subject of angels and demons and I believe it is a worthy subject to understand.

You make the statement that you don't know much about them. Well, I suggest that you do your own study of them and do not ridicule anyone if they desire to look into these things.

I seem to have touched a "nerve" with you, what is wrong - Paranoia?

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

[eric]

Dad Ernie,

Who were you speaking to here? (highlighted in red) If not us on the forum, then who. I respond to many different posts in many sections of this forum, and I suspect I have been around here a bit longer than you have. It is only on occasion that someone brings up the subject of angels and demons and I believe it is a worthy subject to understand.

You make the statement that you don't know much about them. Well, I suggest that you do your own study of them and do not ridicule anyone if they desire to look into these things.

I seem to have touched a "nerve" with you, what is wrong - Paranoia?

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

If you read the reply I made to His Servant, you would have seen that I explained that my posts were not directed to anyone in particular, but was generalising my own observations.

It is my own opinion that it is impossible to walk in the light and the darkness at the same time. It is also just as impossible to be set free and be in bondage at the same time. Lots of people blame all bad experiences onto satan or demons, merely because they have taken their focus off Christ and tried to do their own thing. Whenever things dont go right for me I blame myself for being dumb and stupid enough to try and redirect God's purpose in my life.

So if that is what you call being slanderous, then I am guilty as charged. If you break the rules you do it on your own head, don't blame anyone else.

have a nice day,

eric.

[Guest antitox]

One of the missionaries we have supported in Haiti explained to me that the Haitian president had dedicated the land to satan. The crops there do not grow well at all. The missionary stated that if you pull the vegetables up that are grown in the ground, like a turnip, for example, that they are stunted, or slightly deformed and that they lack nourishment as well as other crops. When you go to the Haitian border, he says you can see that plants grow much more lush and healthy on the other side of the border. He said it is clear that there is a curse on the land.

I've heard alot of comments from missionaries about this kind of territorial resistance that they realize as they travel through different areas.

it is believed by some that Allah is the prince of Persia. I tend to think so. It appears that variants of this kind of spirit has dominated the 10/40 window. And you can see the stronghold that they have over the masses of people and the trouble it causes in the mideast and surrounding areas. No surprise that they all hate Israel.