LadyKay Posted September 8, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 12 Topic Count: 385 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 7,692 Content Per Day: 1.92 Reputation: 4,809 Days Won: 3 Joined: 05/28/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted September 8, 2015 (edited) Okay for now on only Butero answers all the questions as clearly he is the expert and I was wrong to ever question him or to give my own thoughts about something. Edited September 8, 2015 by LadyKay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Butero Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 I like your two cents Lady Kay. I find the people who use the Patriarchs of the OT as an example of how women should act are missing the boat. I also wonder where their other wives and concubines are. If the women are supposed to emulate those women then the men should too.I didn't address this before, but I will now. The law of Moses makes an allowance for a man to have more than one wife, but it never says he must. I have argued that polygamy is not sinful if it is practiced according to the law. I have also argued slavery is not sinful if it is practiced according to the law. 1 John states sin is the transgression of the law, so how could those things be sin, but at the same time, you don't have to have multiple wives or slaves. They were only allowed, not encouraged. God decreed that the husband would rule over his wife, and that is re-affirmed in the New Testament. I assure you I believe in taking the Bible as written across the board. I know most don't, but I do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Butero Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Okay for now on only Butero answers all the questions as clearly he is the expert and I was wrong to ever question him.Just do me the courtesy of explaining how I got it wrong. By all means, challenge anything you wish if you have scripture to show I am mistaken. It is just this nonsense about saying I am wrong with nothing to back it up I take issue with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadyKay Posted September 8, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 12 Topic Count: 385 Topics Per Day: 0.10 Content Count: 7,692 Content Per Day: 1.92 Reputation: 4,809 Days Won: 3 Joined: 05/28/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted September 8, 2015 Just do me the courtesy of explaining how I got it wrong. I don't recall ever saying Butero was wrong. I don't have time for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flames of Liberty Posted September 8, 2015 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 2 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 164 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 80 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/04/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted September 8, 2015 (edited) Yes, I am very sure.https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Timothy+5%3A9-12&version=NKJVWhat that means is that they will take the charity from the church for a while and be completely devoted to Christ for a time, but then will desire to marry again and leave the service of the Lord. That is why we aren't to count them among the widows who receive charity from the church. The Bible actually encourages the young widows to re-marry.Paul does encourage remarriage, or any marriage. And yet you are married. The mischievous side of me wonders if your wife calls you Lord. Edited September 8, 2015 by Flames of Liberty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoob57 Posted September 8, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 35 Topic Count: 100 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 41,400 Content Per Day: 8.00 Reputation: 21,575 Days Won: 76 Joined: 03/13/2010 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/27/1957 Share Posted September 8, 2015 enoob said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllTheGoodNamesAreTaken Posted September 8, 2015 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,379 Content Per Day: 0.43 Reputation: 1,559 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted September 8, 2015 enoob said Behave! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Butero Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 Just do me the courtesy of explaining how I got it wrong. I don't recall ever saying Butero was wrong. I don't have time for this. I said it came across that way, and I gave the quote and the reason why. Can you at least say if you do agree or if you don't agree and why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flames of Liberty Posted September 8, 2015 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 2 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 164 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 80 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/04/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted September 8, 2015 Just do me the courtesy of explaining how I got it wrong. I don't recall ever saying Butero was wrong. I don't have time for this. I said it came across that way, and I gave the quote and the reason why. Can you at least say if you do agree or if you don't agree and why? Why is it so important for you to have her say that? Isn't it enough for you to express your views and for her to do the same? People can read both and make up their own minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Butero Posted September 8, 2015 Share Posted September 8, 2015 I wonder if this guy and his church deny any charity to widows under 60?I do want to clarify something about the widows. First of all, we are not forbidden to take up a love offering for widows under 60. We can't take them in among the number of the widows getting regular support. I had to deal with 4 widows that were getting regular benefits, and none of them met all the qualifications so I had to cut them off. Age wasn't the primary reason. In one case, the woman had family living with her that was working and she didn't really need the money, and the church didn't have it to give. It wasn't an easy thing to do, but it clearly had to be done to come in line with the Bible. Here is how I see it. If there is any issue where the church is doing contrary to scriptural order, the church is wrong. If I am personally doing something contrary to Biblical order, I am wrong. Even if you were to find such an example of wrong doing on my part, it wouldn't make anything change with regard to the scriptural teaching on women, so it is a smoke screen type of argument. What I would say is we need to fix our problems, but not justify wrong because we find other wrong taking place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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