ayin jade Posted September 26, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,795 Content Per Day: 6.21 Reputation: 11,243 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted September 26, 2015 Thanks Ayin Jade! Okay you be the Editor!So are the reports of Pontiff opening things up for Gay Priests true? Is this site true? I don't know?nothing surprises me these days.http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2015/09/18/radical-homosexual-priest-appointed-to-vatican-says-gay-sex-can-express-jesus-self-gift/Man I wanted to vomit when I read that link. Unfortunately its true, at least for this one priest. I read these things all over the net including various vatican and well known catholic media sites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 With his climate change speech to the un, Ive been wondering, in idle speculation, if he is the false prophet. After reading this, Im inclined more and more to think that..Full text of his speech here.http://abcnews.go.com/US/read-pope-francis-yorks-st-patricks-cathedral/story?id=34023376"... The cross shows us a different way of measuring success. Ours is to plant the seeds. God sees to the fruits of our labors. And if at times our efforts and works seem to fail and not produce fruit, we need to remember that we are followers of Jesus Christ and his life, humanly speaking, ended in failure, the failure of the cross...."In only human terms, crucifixion can be seen as the abrupt termination of Christ's earthly ministry. I'm sure the Sanhedrin thought that Jesus had failed -- until they had to forbid their fellow Jews from saying his name in public (Acts 4:17)!!!The Pope said two things... He called Muslims his brothers and sisters and he called Jesus' work on the cross a failure....What part of "humanly speaking" are you failing to grasp? The Pope's remarks were obviously meant as an encouragement during our all too human failures, not a critique of the Crucifixion.And like it or not, we are related to Ishmael through Abraham.Muslims are not born again therefor they are not brothers or sisters to us....They may be estranged, but we are related through Abraham, just as we are related to our Jewish brethren regardless of whether or not they are born again.To say otherwise is to deny our common humanity, even if some Muslims are less than humane in their treatment of Christians.That is just pure garbage. Islam has nothing to do with Abraham. There is NO Abrahamic connection to Islam. Islam originated in 7th century AD. They are not "estranged." They are hell bound sinners who belong to a Sharia death cult that has NO connection to anything biblical. So yeah, I say "otherwise" to your statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchool2 Posted September 27, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 701 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,511 Content Per Day: 1.35 Reputation: 1,759 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/16/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1955 Share Posted September 27, 2015 With his climate change speech to the un, Ive been wondering, in idle speculation, if he is the false prophet. After reading this, Im inclined more and more to think that..Full text of his speech here.http://abcnews.go.com/US/read-pope-francis-yorks-st-patricks-cathedral/story?id=34023376"... The cross shows us a different way of measuring success. Ours is to plant the seeds. God sees to the fruits of our labors. And if at times our efforts and works seem to fail and not produce fruit, we need to remember that we are followers of Jesus Christ and his life, humanly speaking, ended in failure, the failure of the cross...."In only human terms, crucifixion can be seen as the abrupt termination of Christ's earthly ministry. I'm sure the Sanhedrin thought that Jesus had failed -- until they had to forbid their fellow Jews from saying his name in public (Acts 4:17)!!!The Pope said two things... He called Muslims his brothers and sisters and he called Jesus' work on the cross a failure....What part of "humanly speaking" are you failing to grasp? The Pope's remarks were obviously meant as an encouragement during our all too human failures, not a critique of the Crucifixion.And like it or not, we are related to Ishmael through Abraham.Muslims are not born again therefor they are not brothers or sisters to us....They may be estranged, but we are related through Abraham, just as we are related to our Jewish brethren regardless of whether or not they are born again.To say otherwise is to deny our common humanity, even if some Muslims are less than humane in their treatment of Christians.That is just pure garbage. Islam has nothing to do with Abraham....Don't Muslims trace their lineage through Ishmael?What does the Bible say about Muslims/Islam?"Many people ask two questions, 'When and how did Islam begin and where did Islam originate?' Although Islam is not mentioned directly in the Bible, there is recorded in the Bible an outline of the Arabic people as the Children of Abraham who inhabited the 'eastern country'. The history of the Muslim peoples, therefore, begins with the prophet Abraham and his descendants through Ishmael, his firstborn son...."http://www.bibleinfo.com/en/questions/what-does-bible-say-about-muslimsislam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted September 27, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,795 Content Per Day: 6.21 Reputation: 11,243 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted September 27, 2015 The muslims also claim the bible speaks of mohammed. What they have to say about their origins isnt truth. They have a false god. They are lost in sin. They are not brothers or sisters to Christians nor are they of a common abrahamic faith. We do not follow a false god. They do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 With his climate change speech to the un, Ive been wondering, in idle speculation, if he is the false prophet. After reading this, Im inclined more and more to think that..Full text of his speech here.http://abcnews.go.com/US/read-pope-francis-yorks-st-patricks-cathedral/story?id=34023376"... The cross shows us a different way of measuring success. Ours is to plant the seeds. God sees to the fruits of our labors. And if at times our efforts and works seem to fail and not produce fruit, we need to remember that we are followers of Jesus Christ and his life, humanly speaking, ended in failure, the failure of the cross...."In only human terms, crucifixion can be seen as the abrupt termination of Christ's earthly ministry. I'm sure the Sanhedrin thought that Jesus had failed -- until they had to forbid their fellow Jews from saying his name in public (Acts 4:17)!!!The Pope said two things... He called Muslims his brothers and sisters and he called Jesus' work on the cross a failure....What part of "humanly speaking" are you failing to grasp? The Pope's remarks were obviously meant as an encouragement during our all too human failures, not a critique of the Crucifixion.And like it or not, we are related to Ishmael through Abraham.Muslims are not born again therefor they are not brothers or sisters to us....They may be estranged, but we are related through Abraham, just as we are related to our Jewish brethren regardless of whether or not they are born again.To say otherwise is to deny our common humanity, even if some Muslims are less than humane in their treatment of Christians.That is just pure garbage. Islam has nothing to do with Abraham....Don't Muslims trace their lineage through Ishmael?What does the Bible say about Muslims/Islam?"Many people ask two questions, 'When and how did Islam begin and where did Islam originate?' Although Islam is not mentioned directly in the Bible, there is recorded in the Bible an outline of the Arabic people as the Children of Abraham who inhabited the 'eastern country'. The history of the Muslim peoples, therefore, begins with the prophet Abraham and his descendants through Ishmael, his firstborn son...."http://www.bibleinfo.com/en/questions/what-does-bible-say-about-muslimsislamIslam never cared about Abraham and Ishmael until the Jews started returning to the Holy Land. Since then they have tried to manufacture an Abrahamic connection to Islam, when Islam didn't exist until after 600 AD. How could Islam be connected to Abraham when it never existed in Abraham's day?The connection to Ishmael is fallacious. Arabs didn't event start with Abraham. Arabs existed predate Ishmael. The Ishmaelites were the Midianites and they are no longer an existing people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchool2 Posted September 27, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 701 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,511 Content Per Day: 1.35 Reputation: 1,759 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/16/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1955 Share Posted September 27, 2015 The muslims also claim the bible speaks of mohammed. What they have to say about their origins isnt truth. They have a false god. They are lost in sin. They are not brothers or sisters to Christians nor are they of a common abrahamic faith. We do not follow a false god. They do.Yes, the Bible doesn't speak of Mohammed, nor are Muslims "of a common abrahamic faith," but if they are descended from Ishmael, then they are physically related to Abraham.Genesis 16:10-12"... And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude. And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou [art] with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction. And he will be a wild man; his hand [will be] against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren."Ishmael sure sounds like a Muslim to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayin jade Posted September 27, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 44 Topic Count: 6,178 Topics Per Day: 0.88 Content Count: 43,795 Content Per Day: 6.21 Reputation: 11,243 Days Won: 58 Joined: 01/03/2005 Status: Offline Share Posted September 27, 2015 The muslims also claim the bible speaks of mohammed. What they have to say about their origins isnt truth. They have a false god. They are lost in sin. They are not brothers or sisters to Christians nor are they of a common abrahamic faith. We do not follow a false god. They do.Yes, the Bible doesn't speak of Mohammed, nor are Muslims "of a common abrahamic faith," but if they are descended from Ishmael, then they are physically related to Abraham.Genesis 16:10-12"... And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude. And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou [art] with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction. And he will be a wild man; his hand [will be] against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren."Ishmael sure sounds like a Muslim to me.If you really think muslims are your brothers and sisters, thats your choice. The bible tells me otherwise in John 1. As well, the god they follow is not the same God we follow. They are not my brothers and sisters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchool2 Posted September 27, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 701 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,511 Content Per Day: 1.35 Reputation: 1,759 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/16/2009 Status: Offline Birthday: 02/18/1955 Share Posted September 27, 2015 With his climate change speech to the un, Ive been wondering, in idle speculation, if he is the false prophet. After reading this, Im inclined more and more to think that..Full text of his speech here.http://abcnews.go.com/US/read-pope-francis-yorks-st-patricks-cathedral/story?id=34023376"... The cross shows us a different way of measuring success. Ours is to plant the seeds. God sees to the fruits of our labors. And if at times our efforts and works seem to fail and not produce fruit, we need to remember that we are followers of Jesus Christ and his life, humanly speaking, ended in failure, the failure of the cross...."In only human terms, crucifixion can be seen as the abrupt termination of Christ's earthly ministry. I'm sure the Sanhedrin thought that Jesus had failed -- until they had to forbid their fellow Jews from saying his name in public (Acts 4:17)!!!The Pope said two things... He called Muslims his brothers and sisters and he called Jesus' work on the cross a failure....What part of "humanly speaking" are you failing to grasp? The Pope's remarks were obviously meant as an encouragement during our all too human failures, not a critique of the Crucifixion.And like it or not, we are related to Ishmael through Abraham.Muslims are not born again therefor they are not brothers or sisters to us....They may be estranged, but we are related through Abraham, just as we are related to our Jewish brethren regardless of whether or not they are born again.To say otherwise is to deny our common humanity, even if some Muslims are less than humane in their treatment of Christians.That is just pure garbage. Islam has nothing to do with Abraham....Don't Muslims trace their lineage through Ishmael?What does the Bible say about Muslims/Islam?"Many people ask two questions, 'When and how did Islam begin and where did Islam originate?' Although Islam is not mentioned directly in the Bible, there is recorded in the Bible an outline of the Arabic people as the Children of Abraham who inhabited the 'eastern country'. The history of the Muslim peoples, therefore, begins with the prophet Abraham and his descendants through Ishmael, his firstborn son...."http://www.bibleinfo.com/en/questions/what-does-bible-say-about-muslimsislamIslam never cared about Abraham and Ishmael until the Jews started returning to the Holy Land. Since then they have tried to manufacture an Abrahamic connection to Islam, when Islam didn't exist until after 600 AD. How could Islam be connected to Abraham when it never existed in Abraham's day?...We both know that Islam can't be directly connected to Abraham, but Ishmael is another story...."Ishmael is not only revered as a holy prophet within Islam, but Muslims also trace their religious roots and in some cases, their very ethnicity (although this is debated), back to Ishmael. Muslims believe that the genealogical roots of the Prophet Muhammad, the most important religious figure within Islam, traces back to Ishmael (and hence to Abraham), although some modern historians have disputed this. According to (and only to) tradition, Arabs are said to be descendants of Qahtan and Adnan, who were in turn the descendants of Ishmael."http://people.opposingviews.com/islam-teach-ishmael-6574.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shiloh357 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 With his climate change speech to the un, Ive been wondering, in idle speculation, if he is the false prophet. After reading this, Im inclined more and more to think that..Full text of his speech here.http://abcnews.go.com/US/read-pope-francis-yorks-st-patricks-cathedral/story?id=34023376"... The cross shows us a different way of measuring success. Ours is to plant the seeds. God sees to the fruits of our labors. And if at times our efforts and works seem to fail and not produce fruit, we need to remember that we are followers of Jesus Christ and his life, humanly speaking, ended in failure, the failure of the cross...."In only human terms, crucifixion can be seen as the abrupt termination of Christ's earthly ministry. I'm sure the Sanhedrin thought that Jesus had failed -- until they had to forbid their fellow Jews from saying his name in public (Acts 4:17)!!!The Pope said two things... He called Muslims his brothers and sisters and he called Jesus' work on the cross a failure....What part of "humanly speaking" are you failing to grasp? The Pope's remarks were obviously meant as an encouragement during our all too human failures, not a critique of the Crucifixion.And like it or not, we are related to Ishmael through Abraham.Muslims are not born again therefor they are not brothers or sisters to us....They may be estranged, but we are related through Abraham, just as we are related to our Jewish brethren regardless of whether or not they are born again.To say otherwise is to deny our common humanity, even if some Muslims are less than humane in their treatment of Christians.That is just pure garbage. Islam has nothing to do with Abraham....Don't Muslims trace their lineage through Ishmael?What does the Bible say about Muslims/Islam?"Many people ask two questions, 'When and how did Islam begin and where did Islam originate?' Although Islam is not mentioned directly in the Bible, there is recorded in the Bible an outline of the Arabic people as the Children of Abraham who inhabited the 'eastern country'. The history of the Muslim peoples, therefore, begins with the prophet Abraham and his descendants through Ishmael, his firstborn son...."http://www.bibleinfo.com/en/questions/what-does-bible-say-about-muslimsislamIslam never cared about Abraham and Ishmael until the Jews started returning to the Holy Land. Since then they have tried to manufacture an Abrahamic connection to Islam, when Islam didn't exist until after 600 AD. How could Islam be connected to Abraham when it never existed in Abraham's day?...We both know that Islam can't be directly connected to Abraham, but Ishmael is another story...."Ishmael is not only revered as a holy prophet within Islam, but Muslims also trace their religious roots and in some cases, their very ethnicity (although this is debated), back to Ishmael. Muslims believe that the genealogical roots of the Prophet Muhammad, the most important religious figure within Islam, traces back to Ishmael (and hence to Abraham), although some modern historians have disputed this. According to (and only to) tradition, Arabs are said to be descendants of Qahtan and Adnan, who were in turn the descendants of Ishmael."http://people.opposingviews.com/islam-teach-ishmael-6574.html Yes, but you have been sitting here trying to prove that MUSLIMS are connected to Abraham. That was your argument. Ishmael is not the father of the Arabs. The Arabs made that up. Arabs pre-date Ishmael. The Ishmaelites died out a long time ago and are no longer a people. I would not trust anything a Muslim says in these regards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted September 27, 2015 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 598 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,138 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,859 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted September 27, 2015 With his climate change speech to the un, Ive been wondering, in idle speculation, if he is the false prophet. After reading this, Im inclined more and more to think that..Full text of his speech here.http://abcnews.go.com/US/read-pope-francis-yorks-st-patricks-cathedral/story?id=34023376"... The cross shows us a different way of measuring success. Ours is to plant the seeds. God sees to the fruits of our labors. And if at times our efforts and works seem to fail and not produce fruit, we need to remember that we are followers of Jesus Christ and his life, humanly speaking, ended in failure, the failure of the cross...."In only human terms, crucifixion can be seen as the abrupt termination of Christ's earthly ministry. I'm sure the Sanhedrin thought that Jesus had failed -- until they had to forbid their fellow Jews from saying his name in public (Acts 4:17)!!!The Pope said two things... He called Muslims his brothers and sisters and he called Jesus' work on the cross a failure....What part of "humanly speaking" are you failing to grasp? The Pope's remarks were obviously meant as an encouragement during our all too human failures, not a critique of the Crucifixion.And like it or not, we are related to Ishmael through Abraham.Muslims are not born again therefor they are not brothers or sisters to us....They may be estranged, but we are related through Abraham, just as we are related to our Jewish brethren regardless of whether or not they are born again.To say otherwise is to deny our common humanity, even if some Muslims are less than humane in their treatment of Christians.That is just pure garbage. Islam has nothing to do with Abraham. There is NO Abrahamic connection to Islam. Islam originated in 7th century AD. They are not "estranged." They are hell bound sinners who belong to a Sharia death cult that has NO connection to anything biblical. So yeah, I say "otherwise" to your statement.Most Muslims are not from the Middle east, but the far east and are not of any linage of Abraham.... you're right Shiloh. Islam or Muslim is not a race and isn't kin to anyone....... well maybe the devil but thats a different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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