*Zion* Posted November 26, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 154 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,245 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 2,397 Days Won: 9 Joined: 12/09/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/11/1984 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Honest question. Some say that it's the Catholic Church, some say it's Islam. It could be an entirely different entity. What do people think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OakWood Posted November 26, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 867 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 7,331 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 2,860 Days Won: 31 Joined: 04/09/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/28/1964 Share Posted November 26, 2015 I'm not sure but Islam has a much stronger case. After all, Allah is the direct manifestation of Baal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted November 26, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.34 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted November 26, 2015 4 hours ago, *Zion* said: Honest question. Some say that it's the Catholic Church, some say it's Islam. It could be an entirely different entity. What do people think? If you mean *Mystery Babylon* then it will include both the Catholic Church and Islam, as well as every other religion in the world. It will be false religion which includes idolatry, and even the Kaaba of Islam was a centre of idolatry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Zion* Posted November 27, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 154 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,245 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 2,397 Days Won: 9 Joined: 12/09/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/11/1984 Author Share Posted November 27, 2015 Are the daughter of Babylon and the mystery of Babylon one and the same? And can her identity be one singular person, like the a.c.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sister Posted November 27, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 17 Topic Count: 50 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,727 Content Per Day: 1.03 Reputation: 2,305 Days Won: 5 Joined: 06/29/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted November 27, 2015 38 minutes ago, *Zion* said: Are the daughter of Babylon and the mystery of Babylon one and the same? And can her identity be one singular person, like the a.c.? Hi Zion Revelation 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. The daughters would be her children. She produces children spiritually. Babylon is of the world. Trade and commerce, goods, delicacies, luxeries, nice things, technology,..everything that this world can provide in the material. These are the things the world lusts after and not the spiritual things of God. The harlot stands for the spiritual side of Babylon. Her teachings have produced daughters, ie religions or beliefs and there are many to chose from. Whatever is from her is not from God. She is making the nations drunk and sleepy. God wants the God fearing to come out of Babylon spiritually, and to not be a part of it, but separate from what the world lusts after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted November 27, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.34 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted November 27, 2015 51 minutes ago, *Zion* said: Are the daughter of Babylon and the mystery of Babylon one and the same? And can her identity be one singular person, like the a.c.? No, I don't believe they are the same. Psalm 137:8 speaks of the daughter of Babylon in the context of the Babylonian captivity of the Jews, and how she will be destroyed. So it could be a metaphor for physical and geographical Babylon, the city of Babylon mentioned in Revelation. The city and the whore Mystery Babylon are shown as two distinct entities which receive their separate judgements from God. Many believe that New York is the Babylon referred to in Revelation, but there's a good possibility that Babylon in Iraq will become the Babylon of Revelation. And no, Babylon will not be one individual at all. It will be on one hand a political and commercial system, and on the other hand a religious and idolatrous system, both under the control of the Antichrist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Zion* Posted November 27, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 154 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 3,245 Content Per Day: 0.78 Reputation: 2,397 Days Won: 9 Joined: 12/09/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 05/11/1984 Author Share Posted November 27, 2015 Yes, but these are personifications: harlot, daughter. And as Sister has pointed out, she is a mystery. Can a system be personified? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted November 27, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.34 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted November 27, 2015 7 hours ago, *Zion* said: Yes, but these are personifications: harlot, daughter. And as Sister has pointed out, she is a mystery. Can a system be personified? Absolutely. Here is what Rev 17 reveals: MYSTERY BABYLON IS A PERSONIFICATION 7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. THE GREAT WHORE REPRESENTS A CITY (ROME) 18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. 9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. THE GREAT WHORE REPRESENTS WORLDWIDE IDOLATRY (In Scripture idolatry is represented as whoredom and fornication) 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication THE GREAT WHORE REPRESENTS WORLDWIDE BLASPHEMY 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. [Blasphemy is worshipping Satan and the Antichrist as God] BABYLON THE SOURCE OF ALL FALSE RELIGIONS WORLDWIDE 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. MYSTERY BABYLON MARTYRS THE SAINTS 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. MYSTERY BABYLON IS A CREATION OF SATAN 8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. 17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. MYSTERY BABYLON IS CONNECTED WITH POLITICAL ENTITIES 10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. 12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. 14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. 16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. MYSTERY BABYLON TO BE JUDGED 1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sister Posted November 28, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 17 Topic Count: 50 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,727 Content Per Day: 1.03 Reputation: 2,305 Days Won: 5 Joined: 06/29/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted November 28, 2015 12 hours ago, *Zion* said: Yes, but these are personifications: harlot, daughter. And as Sister has pointed out, she is a mystery. Can a system be personified? Zion It's a mystery to the world who don't care for reading the Word of the Lord, but to us who do have ears, we are revealed who Babylon is when God speaks of her, and that the desires of what this world can provide has a master. It cannot be personified, because it includes the whole world who has been feeding on what the Woman can give, which this system of hers is going to be destroyed when Christ returns, the way the world operates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spock Posted November 28, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 29 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,239 Content Per Day: 0.85 Reputation: 1,686 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/26/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted November 28, 2015 Hi Zion, long time no see, While I'm not a great fan of some Catholic doctrine (Mary, pergutory, transubstantiation, and others) I don't see them as Mystery anything. Now I will say this- anything related to Islam is a much greater concern and definitely an end time player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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