if i'm not baptised and i die

[SkilletRocksMyFace]

Thanks, I very much hope that scritpure is making the argument though.

Baptism isn't taugh "falsely" however the thief on the cross argument doesn't hold wieght. Baptism for salvation sake is now rightlfuly taugh because it is after christ was ressurected.

[Guest hubertdorm]

Okay, I should have clarified...

Baptism is taught fasely by those who use the thief as an example of why we needn't be baptized.

[Lekcit]

Using the thief on the cross an example of not needing to be Baptized is not false teaching and I fail to understand why you would say such. What is baptism? It is how believers publicly identify with Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection. The Bible teaches that this must be done via complete immersion. Did the thief on the cross do that? No. Did he go to heaven? Absolutely. What is false about that?

In Him.

[SkilletRocksMyFace]

There is nothing false about the thief seeing the kingdom of Heaven, Christ declared he would.

What is misleading is the use of that passage to try and support an idea that people don't need to be baptized, which as I think we agree is false.

[IreneM]

we are to be baptised as an outward sign of obedience and dieing to this life but I do not believe that the Lord God almighty would keep some one out of heaven who loves HIM gave his life to HIM just because he or she was not baptised.....................

it is a leagelistic view and it causes much damage !!!

In Christ

IreneM

[Guest hubertdorm]

Using the thief on the cross an example of not needing to be Baptized is not false teaching and I fail to understand why you would say such.  What is baptism?  It is how believers publicly identify with Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection.  The Bible teaches that this must be done via complete immersion.  Did the thief on the cross do that?  No.  Did he go to heaven?  Absolutely.  What is false about that?

In Him.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Please read the posts Lekcit. The baptism of the Great commission, that is, the baptism of the church, was impossible to administer to the thief. He could not have been baptized even if he wanted to!

You say baptism is how we publically identify with Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection. Two questions:

1) Where does the Word of God say baptism is a public identification?

2) Knowing that baptism is related to the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ, why do you believe the thief has anything to do with anything? Had Christ died? Had Christ been buried? Had Christ been raised from the dead?

[Guest hubertdorm]

we are to be baptised as an outward sign of obedience  and dieing to this life  but  I do not believe that the Lord God almighty would keep some one out of heaven who loves HIM  gave his life to HIM    just because he or she was not baptised.....................

it is a leagelistic  view  and it causes much damage  !!!

In Christ

IreneM

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Legalism is teaching the KJV is the only true Bible.

Legalism is teaching instruments shouldn't be used in worship.

Legalism is teaching women cannot wear pants.

Legalism is adhearing to church creeds and constitutions.

Legalism is teaching a person is saved before baptism but cannot be a member until he/she is baptized.

Legalism consists of man-made rules and regulations that aren't found in Scripture but are required by those who follow them.

Baptism for the forgiveness of sins has very strong Biblical/Historical support. It is not some "invention" of the modern era as OSAS or Pre-trib rapture.

Also, could you please provide the passage(s) that teach baptism is an outward sign of obedience?

[IreneM]

if baptism is not obedience what is it.???

In Christ

Irene m

[Guest shiloh357]

we are to be baptised as an outward sign of obedience

[SkilletRocksMyFace]

yeah everyone quoets Eph 2 as proof text that we should be able to ignore being baptized, which Christ himself commanded. Lets get the WHOLE context of scritpure before we just read Eph 2, which grace is the gift of God.

Ephes. 2:5-9

even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ

Edited February 25, 2005 by SkilletRocksMyFace