Ezra Posted December 8, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.34 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted December 8, 2015 7 hours ago, n2thelight said: Christ cannot return at anytime. He told us everything that will and must happen before He returns in Matt 24 Matthew 24:3 "And as He sat upon the mount of Olives the disciples came unto Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when shall these things be and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?" There's no need to confuse the imminent and unexpected coming of Christ FOR His saints with the publicly viewed and terrifying coming of Christ WITH His saints, when every eye will see Him, and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him. That's when the "sign" of His coming will appear (Mt 24:30; Rev 1:7): And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamL Posted December 8, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 99 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 5,140 Content Per Day: 1.48 Reputation: 2,562 Days Won: 4 Joined: 11/06/2014 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/01/1950 Share Posted December 8, 2015 1 hour ago, Ezra said: There's no need to confuse the imminent and unexpected coming of Christ FOR His saints with the publicly viewed and terrifying coming of Christ WITH His saints, when every eye will see Him, and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him. That's when the "sign" of His coming will appear (Mt 24:30; Rev 1:7): And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Another example of taking a passage out of its full context: Matt. 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. The word elect/chosen/eklectos is used 22 times in the New Testament, and every single time it is used to describe followers of Jesus. The angels are gathering the chosen of Christ's Church, which means this has to be the Rapture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Daze Posted December 8, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,011 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 2,519 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted December 8, 2015 1 hour ago, Ezra said: There's no need to confuse the imminent and unexpected coming of Christ FOR His saints with the publicly viewed and terrifying coming of Christ WITH His saints, when every eye will see Him, and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of Him. That's when the "sign" of His coming will appear (Mt 24:30; Rev 1:7): And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen Then the kingdom of heaven will be comparable to ten virgins, who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. Five of them were foolish, and five were prudent. For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them, but the prudent took oil in flasks along with their lamps. Matthew 25:1-4 Five were wise. Five were foolish. What made the distinction? The wise were prepared. The foolish weren't. The wise were in it for the long haul. The foolish weren't. Time to move beyond the rhetoric and go with what the Bible actually says. The pre-trib rapture is a false hope and all believers should understand, and be prepared to go through, the great tribulation. Not being prepared for the long haul is clearly a foolish approach, according to Jesus. But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved. Matthew 24:13 The question is whether or not believers will have the wherewithal to discern what's happening and be prepared to respond accordingly. Why encourage people to only bring their lamps? That seems irresponsible, and unscriptural, to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted December 8, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,136 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,091 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted December 8, 2015 We have been going through the long haul for the past 2,000 years. In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Daze Posted December 8, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,011 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 2,519 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted December 8, 2015 2 minutes ago, Montana Marv said: We have been going through the long haul for the past 2,000 years. In Christ Montana Marv More irrelevant rhetoric. Note the word "Then". I emphasized it for you. Then the kingdom of heaven will be comparable to ten virgins, who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. Matthew 25:1 Look at the context and tell me that "Then" is a reference to the last 2000 years. Pre-trib would absolutely disappear without rhetoric, made-up terminology, baseless assertions, confusing terms, misunderstood context, smoke, mirrors, vapor, etc. In fact it will, one day, when the tsunami of the great tribulation crashes against the sand castle that it is. Five were wise. Five were foolish. Be prepared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted December 8, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.34 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted December 8, 2015 1 hour ago, WilliamL said: Another example of taking a passage out of its full context: Matt. 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. The word elect/chosen/eklectos is used 22 times in the New Testament, and every single time it is used to describe followers of Jesus. The angels are gathering the chosen of Christ's Church, which means this has to be the Rapture. Another example of CONFUSING the coming of Christ FOR His saints with the coming of Christ WITH His saints. The elect mentioned in Matthew 24 are NOT the Church but redeemed Jews. When Christ comes for His saints, He comes personally and takes them to Heaven personally. When Christ comes with His saints, He sends angels to gather the elect Jews to Israel. Big difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted December 8, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,136 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,091 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted December 8, 2015 19 minutes ago, Last Daze said: More irrelevant rhetoric. Note the word "Then". I emphasized it for you. Then the kingdom of heaven will be comparable to ten virgins, who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. Matthew 25:1 Look at the context and tell me that "Then" is a reference to the last 2000 years. Pre-trib would absolutely disappear without rhetoric, made-up terminology, baseless assertions, confusing terms, misunderstood context, smoke, mirrors, vapor, etc. In fact it will, one day, when the tsunami of the great tribulation crashes against the sand castle that it is. Five were wise. Five were foolish. Be prepared. Last Daze I thought your last paragraph was a description of a post trib view. I have been prepared since I became a believer. So what's new. You have given me no insight of why we must go through these trials which the unsaved must go through. How long have these 10 virgins been waiting. Are you ready to go now. In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezra Posted December 8, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 16 Topic Count: 134 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 8,142 Content Per Day: 2.34 Reputation: 6,612 Days Won: 20 Joined: 11/02/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted December 8, 2015 36 minutes ago, Last Daze said: Pre-trib would absolutely disappear without rhetoric, made-up terminology, baseless assertions, confusing terms, misunderstood context, smoke, mirrors, vapor, etc. To the contrary, the Pre-Tribulation Rapture is the most solidly supported view of the Rapture. Only a deep-seated prejudice would describe it as above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Marv Posted December 8, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 3,136 Content Per Day: 0.69 Reputation: 1,091 Days Won: 2 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted December 8, 2015 I call it 2,000 years of each generation of believers being perfected. They all had their tests, trials, and tribulations. And none of them were given the chance to see the A/C or receive his mark. In Christ Montana Marv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Daze Posted December 8, 2015 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,011 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 2,519 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted December 8, 2015 1 hour ago, Ezra said: To the contrary, the Pre-Tribulation Rapture is the most solidly supported view of the Rapture. Only a deep-seated prejudice would describe it as above. Wrong on both counts. Just be ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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