What Scriptures are the hardest to understand ?

[SINNERSAVED]

okay , here is another one, for all you scripture and bible lovers, and for those that have a hard time understanding a scripture if it be saying one thing or another ?

there is a few scriptures that would shock people and not understand its meaning, and then there is scripture where people are saying it means ,

one thing when really it means another,  I see we have been battling this on a few , I think it matters about the interpretation of the scripture to understand its meaning .

so I know there is scripture out there that , has probably dazzled your mind , or never made any sense, and I think we should try to see some of this here , and there has been some scripture using words that were not to be intended I believe for scripture or translation,

 so I will give you a example, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle then a rich man to enter heaven , that stuck with me for along time for years , then I read a Hebraic Bible that said it was a rope , not a camel, isn't that funny, I think it is,

here is another that I have not really understood, when God was judging the people they told the person to have the people look at the snake on the stick and they will be saved , I know its not word for word but you know the story ? why would He use a symbol of a snake or did I say it wrong,?

blessings everyone, and I hope to get some fun out of this and to see some different views, thank you in advance

[SINNERSAVED]

1 minute ago, simplejeff said:

....   .... .... suppose the truth was changed early on, 'concealed' or 'hidden' ... ... ... who knows ? 

For instance  can we really believe Eve as talking with a snake, or rather understand her being fascinated by  "an angel of light", as warned against later(in NT), and described in a little detail elsewhere in the OT.  ((well?? how many people today are deceived by a garden snake??  and how many ((willingly)) by "an angel of light" ?? ((comparatively, since the number is disclosed in Revelation as "the whole world")) ))

    When Satan is spoken of as a "serpent", it is the figure or Implication>> it no more means a snake than it does when Dan is so called in Genesis 49:17; or an animal when Nero is called a "lion" (2 Timothy 4:17), or when Herod is called a "fox" (Luke 13:32); or when Judah is called "a lion's whelp".

It is the same figure when "doctrine" is called "leaven" (Matthew 16:6).   If a Figure of speech is thus employed, it is for the purpose of expressing the truth as Yahweh intends (all the while "hiding" it from most people as Yahshua did , under orders ((willingly and joyfully totally obedient)) from Yahweh, when He spoke to the crowds in parables that He only explained to His disciples)

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I never thought about that in that way , and now that you mention it , why would eve give in to a snake, I can see what you are saying and that's a great observation I never thought about, sometimes you don't know if it is symbolic or real , so we may have a lot more to learn, wow, thank you

[Ezra]

3 hours ago, SINNERSAVED said:

here is another that I have not really understood, when God was judging the people they told the person to have the people look at the snake on the stick and they will be saved , I know its not word for word but you know the story ? why would He use a symbol of a snake or did I say it wrong,?

Satan and the Serpent are inseparable, and Satan and sin and evil are inseparable. That fiery serpent in the wilderness was a symbol of sin, and it was not a a stick but a pole on which it was place. So it actually represented Christ on the Cross, who was made Sin for us, so that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him. Hence John 3:14,15: And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

[SINNERSAVED]

6 minutes ago, Ezra said:

Satan and the Serpent are inseparable, and Satan and sin and evil are inseparable. That fiery serpent in the wilderness was a symbol of sin, and it was not a a stick but a pole on which it was place. So it actually represented Christ on the Cross, who was made Sin for us, so that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him. Hence John 3:14,15: And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

 

why did moses lift up a serpent ? I am curious, and it was snakes that was biting them right ? I am trying to understand the symbolism , from a serpent to Jesus on the cross, this is a really hard scripture to figure out, symbolic wise, for it was a serpent in the garden of Eden, so  please give me something to work on and make sense of?

[Ezra]

50 minutes ago, SINNERSAVED said:

why did moses lift up a serpent ? I am curious, and it was snakes that was biting them right ? I am trying to understand the symbolism , from a serpent to Jesus on the cross, this is a really hard scripture to figure out, symbolic wise, for it was a serpent in the garden of Eden, so  please give me something to work on and make sense of?

When we turn to Numbers 21:5-9, we see that the Israelites were blaspheming God and speaking evil of Moses, and their accusations were false. So God brought swift judgment upon them in the form of fiery serpents (their poison probably produced a fiery sensation, followed by instantaneous death).

This was a lesson not only for them but for all who read the Bible. "The wages of sin is death" was dramatically illustrated here. But then Scripture says "but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord" (Rom 6:23). However, the only way we could receive eternal life is after our sin-debt was paid in full. So Christ was literally made "Sin" for us (2 Cor 5:21). God the Father placed all the sins and guilt of humanity on His Son, and poured all His wrath upon the holy soul of Christ. Therefore the Son was forsaken by the Father, since Christ was the "Sin-Bearer".

Christ was represented in the wilderness by the Sin/Serpent as the Sin-Bearer, with the pole representing the Cross. That is also why the people could simply look on that Brazen Serpent and live, just as we simply believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and receive eternal life. 

[Herman Uticks]

8 For man does not originate from woman, but woman from man; 9 for indeed man was not created for the woman’s sake, but woman for the man’s sake. 10 Therefore the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.

I give up, what do angels have to do with order, authority, or head covering?

[Ezra]

9 hours ago, Ω♂Omegaman2.0™ said:

8 For man does not originate from woman, but woman from man; 9 for indeed man was not created for the woman’s sake, but woman for the man’s sake. 10 Therefore the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.

I give up, what do angels have to do with order, authority, or head covering?

"... Others say because of the good angels. Jews and Christians have had an opinion that these ministering spirits are many of them present in their assemblies. Their presence should restrain Christians from all indecencies in the worship of God. Note, We should learn from all to behave in the public assemblies of divine worship so as to express a reverence for God, and a content and satisfaction with that rank in which he has placed us". (Matthew Henry).

[1x1is1]

REVELATION 10:4 KJV "And when the seven thunders had uttered ...

1) Who were the 7 Thunders?   2)  What did they utter?    3)  Why seal them up?

I don't expect definitive answers to these down here on earth any more than I would attempt to put a date on the Tribulation.  And I am fairly certain that I will be occupied with many other things in Heaven than to devote time to single out John or the 7 thunders and request clarity on it.

I mostly think that it is pretty neat that God would possibly inject this in the Bible as a taste of humor.  We know that He smiles, maybe He knew that this would bug us!  After all, does anyone else think that Jesus could have been inwardly smiling when He asked the 2 apostles on the road to Emmaus;  "What things"?  Then 9 versus later He;  "and he made as though he would have gone further".  Ya gotta suspect that He was smiling then!