No Longer considered Gentiles . aliens, foreigners ?,But chosen

[SINNERSAVED]

After much careful study , I have been looking at many scriptures that places the Gentiles not as aliens and Gentiles and foreigners any more ,but the chosen people of the Lord, He does not see the Gentile as out side of Israel anymore, wants we become born again , or saved,

for all that CALLS UPON THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED, AND FOR EVERY ONE THAT IS IN CHRIST JESUS IS SAVED OF JESUS,

WE are told through out the Bible we are the lords people now ,  , a royal priesthood, saints the called out ones, people of the most high.

we are told that the church which we separate our selves today from israel is not correct for there was the assembly of the Israel people way before the churches sprung up in the days of Jesus ,we are told that for the saved Gentiles are to be like the Israel people for we are all one in spirit and one under the same God, so there is no more separation or division between us, and so many today in the preaching calls us separate ,and not like the people of Israel, ethically yes and location yes, but when the true church is called out of the earth to God when he raptures us ,it will be all that has been saved by the blood and that has placed there faith in Him, for we are all covered by the blood of Christ and so we are given grace to eternal  life , and not death of the second death , and so the laws that pertain to the Israel people ,pertains top us also , for we are all one people and one nation,

and gentiles represent other nations not of God,,

so you may agree or not agree but I find this very interesting, for many jews want to be Christians when they see how Jesus is lord, and the Christians wanting to be jews for the royal people that is stated to be Gods little nation  so with that said, there is many scriptures that make us all one , and there is no difference between jew and gentile, as stated by the apostles and the through out the bible,, if I am wrong and I know I am not , feel free to respond, I will look up the scriptures to this, and post  later, I wanted to get this out while it was fresh in my head, I also have  a video that explains and covers all the scriptures to facts of his , that I am stating, I already posted it on the thread of covenant vs covenant it is by ministries 119 and the video is called grafted, which is us the gentiles the wild branches, coming in to the fold, now this does not exclude the jews that will come back in the end.

I would think what I was taught in Christian churches, are not in line with this , and they and many continue to separate us , spiritually, even though we cannot change who we are , but we are all one in God the father, and the son Jesus who has saved us from our selves  and death

I hope no one takes this as bring in new teachings, but it is not new , and its all through the bible , and so I am not out of line to bring this to the table for examination and conversation and posts for comments and responses , thank you and blessings

 

[Qnts2]

42 minutes ago, SINNERSAVED said:

After much careful study , I have been looking at many scriptures that places the Gentiles not as aliens and Gentiles and foreigners any more ,but the chosen people of the Lord, He does not see the Gentile as out side of Israel anymore, wants we become born again , or saved,

for all that CALLS UPON THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED, AND FOR EVERY ONE THAT IS IN CHRIST JESUS IS SAVED OF JESUS,

WE are told through out the Bible we are the lords people now , and we are a spiritual Israel , a royal priesthood, saints the called out ones,

we are told that the church which we separate our selves today from israel is not correct for there was the assembly of the Israel people way before the churches sprung up in the days of Jesus ,we are told that for the saved Gentiles are to be like the Israel people for we are all one in spirit and one under the same God, so there is no more separation or division between us, and so many today in the preaching calls us separate ,and not like the people of Israel, ethically yes and location yes, but when the true church is called out of the earth to God when he raptures us ,it will be all that has been saved by the blood and that has placed there faith in Him, for we are all covered by the blood of Christ and so we are given grace to eternal  life , and not death of the second death , and so the laws that pertain to the Israel people ,pertains top us also , for we are all one people and one nation,

and gentiles represent other nations not of God,,

so you may agree or not agree but I find this very interesting, for many jews want to be Christians when they see how Jesus is lord, and the Christians wanting to be jews for the royal people that is stated to be Gods little nation  so with that said, there is many scriptures that make us all one , and there is no difference between jew and gentile, as stated by the apostles and the through out the bible,, if I am wrong and I know I am not , feel free to respond, I will look up the scriptures to this, and post  later, I wanted to get this out while it was fresh in my head, I also have  a video that explains and covers all the scriptures to facts of his , that I am stating, I already posted it on the thread of covenant vs covenant it is by ministries 119 and the video is called grafted, which is us the gentiles the wild branches, coming in to the fold, now this does not exclude the jews that will come back in the end.

I would think what I was taught in Christian churches, are not in line with this , and they and many continue to separate us , spiritually, even though we cannot change who we are , but we are all one in God the father, and the son Jesus who has saved us from our selves  and death

I hope no one takes this as bring in new teachings, but it is not new , and its all through the bible , and so I am not out of line to bring this to the table for examination and conversation and posts for comments and responses , thank you and blessings

 

I disagree strongly with the belief by many that they are spiritual Israel. In scripture, there is not mention of a spiritual Israel.

Aliens and strangers are terms used for people who are not Israel. In scripture, a person is an alien or stranger, if they are in a land which does not belong to them. When Israel was in Egypt, Israel was a stranger, since they were in a land owned by the Egyptians. Israel had been given a different piece of land referred to as the land of Israel. If a person who was not a child of Israel lived in the land of Israel, they would be a stranger, since they are living in a land which is not theirs. An alien was a person who was passing thru a land which was not theirs, or just visiting a land which was not theirs. Children of Israel who would visit Britain, would have been aliens. Children of Israel who lived in Ireland would have been strangers. 

I find it very strange that Christians want to be spiritual Israel, but I think it comes from a misunderstanding of what and who Israel is. Israel is the people who are descendents of Jacob. God said he did not choose Israel because of any great or superior thing about the people, but rather, the people were small in number and weak and stubborn. Israel was chosen because of the faith of Abraham, but more because the children of Israel are a weak foolish people, and when God acts in behalf of Israel, it is so clear that the act must be God, because the people are so small and weak and stubborn. God gets the glory.

The church is made up of people from many nations. Mostly nations which are not Israel, or Gentile, although there are a few people from the nation of Israel. God intentionally chose to save a diverse people to form a new nation of people who were not a nation (single people group) but from diverse nation. This new nation is to make Israel jealous.

So, what is the ecclesia or church. In scripture, the church is said to be chosen. Israel is chosen for a purpose and the church is chosen for a purpose. The purposes are different.

The church is the children of Abraham. The children of Israel are the children of Jacob. Jacob was renamed Israel and had 12 children, so the 12 and their descendents are the children of Israel. The church is never called the children of Jacob, but is called the children of Abraham and are grafted into a promise given to Abraham. 

Christians are children of God by adoption. Christians are called Holy and Righteous. Israels righteousness in the OT is a temperal righteousness based on the works of the law. Christians are righteous because of who they are, and what Jesus did to make them who they are.

Christians have so much more then children of Israel. So I will never understand why Christians think being Israel is greater then being a Christian.    

[Guest Teditis]

I agree... it seems silly to me that someone would want to be something other than what they are,

especially in spiritual matters. As Qnts2 says, there is nothing, that I'm aware of, in the Bible that

born-again believers are "spiritual-Jews." The Bible does speak of distinct differences between

Jew and Gentile... and that in this age, the Gentile is to provoke the Jew to jealousy in order for

them to come back to God in recognizing the Messiah, Jesus.

We have a wonderful role to play in working out God's Sovereign will.

[SINNERSAVED]

16 minutes ago, Qnts2 said:

I disagree strongly with the belief by many that they are spiritual Israel. In scripture, there is not mention of a spiritual Israel.

I find it very strange that Christians want to be spiritual Israel, but I think it comes from a misunderstanding of what and who Israel is. Israel is the people who are descendents of Jacob. God said he did not choose Israel because of any great or superior thing about the people, but rather, the people were small in number and weak and stubborn. Israel was chosen because of the faith of Abraham, but more because the children of Israel are a weak foolish people, and when God acts in behalf of Israel, it is so clear that the act must be God, because the people are so small and weak and stubborn. God gets the glory.

The church is made up of people from many nations. Mostly nations which are not Israel, or Gentile, although there are a few people from the nation of Israel. God intentionally chose to save a diverse people to form a new nation of people who were not a nation (single people group) but from diverse nation. This new nation is to make Israel jealous.

So, what is the ecclesia or church. In scripture, the church is said to be chosen. Israel is chosen for a purpose and the church is chosen for a purpose. The purposes are different.

The church is the children of Abraham. The children of Israel are the children of Jacob. Jacob was renamed Israel and had 12 children, so the 12 and their descendents are the children of Israel. The church is never called the children of Jacob, but is called the children of Abraham and are grafted into a promise given to Abraham. 

Christians are children of God by adoption. Christians are called Holy and Righteous. Israels righteousness in the OT is a temperal righteousness based on the works of the law. Christians are righteous because of who they are, and what Jesus did to make them who they are.

Christians have so much more then children of Israel. So I will never understand why Christians think being Israel is greater then being a Christian.    

the spiritual israel is not probably a good use of words, my apology , what I was trying to say is that we are different as the old and the new and the law and the grace, we are of two different ?

but we as   one people  we should be of one mind ,and in one accord reguardless of being a people of Israel or gentile, it is about understanding and being one with him in obedients and understanding, then a spirit  , so I may have written it wrong, and I would see how it would raise eyebrows , thank you for sharing I will take it out of the post on a edit, but to let no one know I was trying to show something I did not catch my self as  I posted and would not be taken rightly , blessings

 I have removed my error , for it was not intentional , and I was never trying to say we are spiritually the same , but in one spirit of one God and one people now as one, in the same belief, and not of two, even though the blessing was to the jew first and then to the Gentile,  thank you

[SINNERSAVED]

7 minutes ago, Teditis said:

I agree... it seems silly to me that someone would want to be something other than what they are,

especially in spiritual matters. As Qnts2 says, there is nothing, that I'm aware of, in the Bible that

born-again believers are "spiritual-Jews." The Bible does speak of distinct differences between

Jew and Gentile... and that in this age, the Gentile is to provoke the Jew to jealousy in order for

them to come back to God in recognizing the Messiah, Jesus.

We have a wonderful role to play in working out God's Sovereign will.

I got that , I corrected my error , and yes I know it was to povoke the jewish people, and we are greatly blessed by this, thank you blessings

[1to3]

Are we as Christians not grafted into through the circumcision of our heats?

Romans 11:11

Romans 11:11-31English Standard Version (ESV)

Gentiles Grafted In

¹¹ So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means! Rather through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous. ¹² Now if their trespass means riches for the world, and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full inclusion^[a] mean!

¹³ Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry ¹⁴ in order somehow to make my fellow Jews jealous, and thus save some of them. ¹⁵ For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead? ¹⁶ If the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, so is the whole lump, and if the root is holy, so are the branches.

¹⁷ But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root^[b] of the olive tree, ¹⁸ do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. ¹⁹ Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” ²⁰ That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. ²¹ For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. ²² Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off. ²³ And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again. ²⁴ For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree.

The Mystery of Israel's Salvation

²⁵ Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers:^[c] a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. ²⁶ And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written,

“The Deliverer will come from Zion,
    he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;
²⁷ “and this will be my covenant with them
    when I take away their sins.”

²⁸ As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. ²⁹ For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. ³⁰ For just as you were at one time disobedient to God but now have received mercy because of their disobedience, ³¹ so they too have now been disobedient in order that by the mercy shown to you they also may now^[d] receive mercy.

 

Deuteronomy 30:6,7

…5"The LORD your God will bring you into the land which your fathers possessed, and you shall possess it; and He will prosper you and multiply you more than your fathers. 6"Moreover the LORD your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul, so that you may live. 7"

 

Philippians 3:3

…2Beware of the dogs, beware of the evil workers, beware of the mutilation!

3for we are the true circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh,

 

Romans 11:22

Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off.

 

Romans 9:1-33

I am speaking the truth in Christ—I am not lying; my conscience bears me witness in the Holy Spirit— that I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. For I could wish that I myself were accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, my kinsmen according to the flesh. They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises. To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen. ...

 

Romans 2:29

28For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh.

29But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.

 

Romans  3:27,28,29,30, 31

Where is the boasting them? It is excluded. By what Law? or Works? No, but by the law of faith.

-28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.

 

Galatians 3:28

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus

 

Galatians 3:29

And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, heirs according to promise.

Mathew 5:17 Christ Jesus said:

17"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.

18"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

 

Romans 11:1-36

I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means! For I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, a member of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew. Do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he appeals to God against Israel? “Lord, they have killed your prophets, they have demolished your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life.” But what is God's reply to him? “I have kept for myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace. ...

 

Romans 11:17-24

But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root of the olive tree, do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you.

 

Romans 3:28,29,30,31

-28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.

-29 Or is He the God of the Jews only? Is He not also the ŋod of the Gentiles? Yes, of the gentiles also.

-30 since there is One God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.

-31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish it.

 

Matthew ch5:17-18 Christ Jesus said:

17"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.

18"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

 

[thereselittleflower]

3 hours ago, SINNERSAVED said:

After much careful study , I have been looking at many scriptures that places the Gentiles not as aliens and Gentiles and foreigners any more ,but the chosen people of the Lord, He does not see the Gentile as out side of Israel anymore, wants we become born again , or saved,

for all that CALLS UPON THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED, AND FOR EVERY ONE THAT IS IN CHRIST JESUS IS SAVED OF JESUS,

WE are told through out the Bible we are the lords people now ,  , a royal priesthood, saints the called out ones, people of the most high.

we are told that the church which we separate our selves today from israel is not correct for there was the assembly of the Israel people way before the churches sprung up in the days of Jesus ,we are told that for the saved Gentiles are to be like the Israel people for we are all one in spirit and one under the same God, so there is no more separation or division between us, and so many today in the preaching calls us separate ,and not like the people of Israel, ethically yes and location yes, but when the true church is called out of the earth to God when he raptures us ,it will be all that has been saved by the blood and that has placed there faith in Him, for we are all covered by the blood of Christ and so we are given grace to eternal  life , and not death of the second death , and so the laws that pertain to the Israel people ,pertains top us also , for we are all one people and one nation,

and gentiles represent other nations not of God,,

so you may agree or not agree but I find this very interesting, for many jews want to be Christians when they see how Jesus is lord, and the Christians wanting to be jews for the royal people that is stated to be Gods little nation  so with that said, there is many scriptures that make us all one , and there is no difference between jew and gentile, as stated by the apostles and the through out the bible,, if I am wrong and I know I am not , feel free to respond, I will look up the scriptures to this, and post  later, I wanted to get this out while it was fresh in my head, I also have  a video that explains and covers all the scriptures to facts of his , that I am stating, I already posted it on the thread of covenant vs covenant it is by ministries 119 and the video is called grafted, which is us the gentiles the wild branches, coming in to the fold, now this does not exclude the jews that will come back in the end.

I would think what I was taught in Christian churches, are not in line with this , and they and many continue to separate us , spiritually, even though we cannot change who we are , but we are all one in God the father, and the son Jesus who has saved us from our selves  and death

I hope no one takes this as bring in new teachings, but it is not new , and its all through the bible , and so I am not out of line to bring this to the table for examination and conversation and posts for comments and responses , thank you and blessings

 

You are right that Gentiles have become the chosen people of the Lord, so they are no more gentiles.   It makes my heart glad that you see that.

Now it's time to take the other step, just ast there are no longer gentiles, but the chosen people of God., so there are no longer Jews.

To speak of the chosen people of God being anything other than One New Man where there is neither Jew nor Gentile, misses the mark.

 

 

[Qnts2]

2 hours ago, SINNERSAVED said:

the spiritual israel is not probably a good use of words, my apology , what I was trying to say is that we are different as the old and the new and the law and the grace, we are of two different ?

but we as   one people  we should be of one mind ,and in one accord reguardless of being a people of Israel or gentile, it is about understanding and being one with him in obedients and understanding, then a spirit  , so I may have written it wrong, and I would see how it would raise eyebrows , thank you for sharing I will take it out of the post on a edit, but to let no one know I was trying to show something I did not catch my self as  I posted and would not be taken rightly , blessings

 I have removed my error , for it was not intentional , and I was never trying to say we are spiritually the same , but in one spirit of one God and one people now as one, in the same belief, and not of two, even though the blessing was to the jew first and then to the Gentile,  thank you

Ok, thanks. I do believe we are spiritually the same. We have received the same Spirit which now dwells in us. And I definitely agree, we are one.

I am including a link to a song written and sung by a Messianic Jew called 'Jew and Gentile' by Joel Chernoff.

http://www.invubu.com/lyrics/show/Joel_Chernoff/Jew_and_Gentile.html

Mods, if this is not allowed could this post be moved to a better location?

[SINNERSAVED]

1 hour ago, 1to3 said:

Are we as Christians not grafted into through the circumcision of our heats?

Romans 11:11

Romans 11:11-31English Standard Version (ESV)

Gentiles Grafted In

¹¹ So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means! Rather through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous. ¹² Now if their trespass means riches for the world, and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full inclusion^[a] mean!

¹³ Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry ¹⁴ in order somehow to make my fellow Jews jealous, and thus save some of them. ¹⁵ For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead? ¹⁶ If the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, so is the whole lump, and if the root is holy, so are the branches.

¹⁷ But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root^[b] of the olive tree, ¹⁸ do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. ¹⁹ Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” ²⁰ That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. ²¹ For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. ²² Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off. ²³ And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again. ²⁴ For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree.

The Mystery of Israel's Salvation

²⁵ Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers:^[c] a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. ²⁶ And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written,

“The Deliverer will come from Zion,
    he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;
²⁷ “and this will be my covenant with them
    when I take away their sins.”

²⁸ As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. ²⁹ For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. ³⁰ For just as you were at one time disobedient to God but now have received mercy because of their disobedience, ³¹ so they too have now been disobedient in order that by the mercy shown to you they also may now^[d] receive mercy.

 

Deuteronomy 30:6,7

…5"The LORD your God will bring you into the land which your fathers possessed, and you shall possess it; and He will prosper you and multiply you more than your fathers. 6"Moreover the LORD your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul, so that you may live. 7"

 

Philippians 3:3

…2Beware of the dogs, beware of the evil workers, beware of the mutilation!

3for we are the true circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh,

 

Romans 11:22

Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off.

 

Romans 9:1-33

I am speaking the truth in Christ—I am not lying; my conscience bears me witness in the Holy Spirit— that I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. For I could wish that I myself were accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, my kinsmen according to the flesh. They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises. To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen. ...

 

Romans 2:29

28For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh.

29But he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that which is of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; and his praise is not from men, but from God.

 

Romans  3:27,28,29,30, 31

Where is the boasting them? It is excluded. By what Law? or Works? No, but by the law of faith.

-28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.

 

Galatians 3:28

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus

 

Galatians 3:29

And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, heirs according to promise.

Mathew 5:17 Christ Jesus said:

17"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.

18"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

 

Romans 11:1-36

I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means! For I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, a member of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew. Do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he appeals to God against Israel? “Lord, they have killed your prophets, they have demolished your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life.” But what is God's reply to him? “I have kept for myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace. ...

 

Romans 11:17-24

But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root of the olive tree, do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you.

 

Romans 3:28,29,30,31

-28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.

-29 Or is He the God of the Jews only? Is He not also the ŋod of the Gentiles? Yes, of the gentiles also.

-30 since there is One God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.

-31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish it.

 

Matthew ch5:17-18 Christ Jesus said:

17"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.

18"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

 

that was awesome 1to 3 ,thank you , I have other scriptures to post later, but that was great to get as much as we can to bring in the teaching of this lesson, blessings,

I pray this is informative to all

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25 minutes ago, Qnts2 said:

Ok, thanks. I do believe we are spiritually the same. We have received the same Spirit which now dwells in us. And I definitely agree, we are one.

I am including a link to a song written and sung by a Messianic Jew called 'Jew and Gentile' by Joel Chernoff.

http://www.invubu.com/lyrics/show/Joel_Chernoff/Jew_and_Gentile.html

Mods, if this is not allowed could this post be moved to a better location?

that's cool for you to say that, I did not want to create a obstical for some, until they understand the foundation truths of what this is all about, for we cannot give meat to babies, and we need to give milk, but we cannot stay on milk much longer for the time has come to step out in faith and do what we are called for and to preach the word, and be firm and not shaken , for God is for us , who can be against us, and for every breath I take , let it be of the word of God to give to another ,so that they may see that glory of the lord , and take of the free gift of grace and be saved , and enter in, blessings to you and thank you