The Great Image.

[Marilyn C]

So how has this Revived Roman Empire theory come about?

After World War 2 when Europe was decimated, the Allies gave 4 leaders power to form a European Common Market to rebuild Europe.  These 4 heads of state only ruled over 6 countries. Then as time went by other European countries wanted to join this gathering Union & so 7, 8, 9, 10 countries became the European Economic Union.

When some Bible scholars saw this they thought, this must be the 10 kings that will rule over the world, & thus what we are seeing is a revived Roman Empire.

However as we all know & history has proven, the European Union now has 27 countries operating together.

We also know that the birth rate of Europeans has fallen & at the stage where they cannot sustain themselves. Added to that the Islamic people of great number in Europe are reproducing at a great rate that will over take the Europeans very soon.

Thus Europe as a Revived Roman Empire is not only NOT possible, but is scripturally incorrect.   

 

Marilyn.

 

 

[Sister]

Marilyn

Daniel 2:33   His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.

If the legs of iron is Rome, and the feet contains part of iron, then what does common sense tell us?

Daniel 2:41   And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

 

Daniel 7:7   After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

Rome's system was a democratic system inherited from the Greeks.  The feet is from the same system which came out of Rome.  It's laws are based on that system.  Democracy.  The ten toes do not appear until the end of that same kingdom, and it will be different from all the other beasts before, because it will rule according to a new system, like never before, but it's roots started from Rome's system. 

No one has even mentioned the British empire who was strong and flattened during ww2, but remains as powerful as ever today.  Her laws are Roman based.  Not Ottoman Empire based. 

So once the 10 kings come into play, it will not rule like Rome back then according to it's old laws, but a more powerful type of Rome, a changed Rome comprising of new laws from mingling with other parties now giving that kingdom a foothold over other parts of the world it never controlled before. 

 

 

 

[Ezra]

[Ezra]

As one can see above, the former Ottoman Empire is now primarily the Balkans and Turkey.  But all the countries of the Holy Roman Empire are now in the European Union, and the Holy Roman Empire was derived from the Roman Empire (which also included countries bordering the southern Mediterranean Sea).

[Marilyn C]

1 hour ago, Sister said:

Marilyn

Daniel 2:33   His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.

If the legs of iron is Rome, and the feet contains part of iron, then what does common sense tell us?

Daniel 2:41   And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

 

Daniel 7:7   After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

Rome's system was a democratic system inherited from the Greeks.  The feet is from the same system which came out of Rome.  It's laws are based on that system.  Democracy.  The ten toes do not appear until the end of that same kingdom, and it will be different from all the other beasts before, because it will rule according to a new system, like never before, but it's roots started from Rome's system. 

No one has even mentioned the British empire who was strong and flattened during ww2, but remains as powerful as ever today.  Her laws are Roman based.  Not Ottoman Empire based. 

So once the 10 kings come into play, it will not rule like Rome back then according to it's old laws, but a more powerful type of Rome, a changed Rome comprising of new laws from mingling with other parties now giving that kingdom a foothold over other parts of the world it never controlled before. 

 

 

 

Hi Sister,

Yes I quite understand how people jump to the conclusion - iron of the legs & iron in the feet & toes. But actually the word `iron` God says means `strong & strength,` (Dan. 2: 40 & 41)

`...the fourth kingdom shall be as strong as iron...` &  ` the feet & toes....yet the strength of the iron shall be in it.` (Dan. 2: 40 & 41)

Thus we read God`s interpretation of His word `iron` is strong, strength` describing the power of a kingdom. it does NOT tell us who that kingdom is. Other scriptures are needed for us to know who God says the `feet & toes,` are.

You are only giving your opinion & NOT from God`s word except the symbol & we know quite well that NO doctrine is based upon a symbol.

Thank you for commenting, Marilyn.

 

Edited April 24, 2016 by Marilyn C

[Marilyn C]

52 minutes ago, Ezra said:

As one can see above, the former Ottoman Empire is now primarily the Balkans and Turkey.  But all the countries of the Holy Roman Empire are now in the European Union, and the Holy Roman Empire was derived from the Roman Empire (which also included countries bordering the southern Mediterranean Sea).

Hi Ezra,

I do like your picture bro. Good history lesson. Now what scripture, apart from the symbol, (can`t base a doctrine on a symbol & you know that) can you give to support this theory?

Marilyn.

[Sister]

2 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Sister,

Yes I quite understand how people jump to the conclusion - iron of the legs & iron in the feet & toes. But actually the word `iron` God says means `strong & strength,` (Dan. 2: 40 & 41)

`...the fourth kingdom shall be as strong as iron...` &  ` the feet & toes....yet the strength of the iron shall be in it.` (Dan. 2: 40 & 41)

Thus we read God`s interpretation of His word `iron` is strong, strength` describing the power of a kingdom. it does NOT tell us who that kingdom is. Other scriptures are needed for us to know who God says the `feet & toes,` are.

You are only giving your opinion & NOT from God`s word except the symbol & we know quite well that NO doctrine is based upon a symbol.

Thank you for commenting, Marilyn.

 

Hi Marilyn

 Daniel 2:33   His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.

Daniel 2:41   And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

God already showed us what the IRON represents?   We know the legs are ROME.  So when Rome collapsed, FRAGMENTS of that empire started the NEXT ONE, the feet, and the toes.  So simple?

I gave you scriptures but you still don't want to see it?  Symbols play an important role in SCRIPTURE, how can you say it's not based on scripture?  If you can't follow the symbols properly the doctrine is going to be all messed up.

The feet and toes does not only have THE STRENGTH of the IRON, but was formed out of the IRON.

 

 

[Kan]

If there are any theories about a great silent gap in history from around the end of the Roman empire to our modern day, you can bet its intention is to completely ignore the reign of the Papacy among the horns of Europe, for 1260 years as predicted.

Why? because it is the great Antichrist, the little blasphemous horn which finally succeeds in deceiving the whole world, so that the last beast in Revelation 17, representing the whole world, has blasphemies written all over it. And guess who's being carried by this last beast? The whore, totally drunk with the blood of the saints. She killed millions, upon millions of innocent people. Not only that but she meddled in politics and caused revolutions and wars shedding the blood of hundreds of millions. So who wants to skip this in prophecy, but the whore?

Any theory which dismisses and denies the horrendous reign of the Papacy for 1260 years as predicted, and its insidious influence over all the nations in modern times, is precisely the intent of Satan. 

To prove that there are no time gaps in this crucial period, there are 14 illustrations in Revelation which cover the period from John to the end of time, and each one of these identifies the dark ages. No gap here at all.

Let me give just one small example.

The seven churches represent the people of God and the challenges each would meet in a certain era. The fourth era or church belongs to the Papal reign. Listen to what the Bible says,"...that woman (church) Jezebel which calls herself a prophetess, to teach my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed to idols."

Listen to what Jesus says about the days of Jezebel in Luke 4:25, "...when the heaven was shut up for three years and six months, when a great famine was throughout all the land."

Does three and a half years sound familiar? 1260 days, 1260 years of Papal reign. The clues are all in there, but like I said, there are 14 sets of prophecies, which begin with the 7 churches, then the 7 seals, then the 7 trumpets, and that's only three out of fourteen. 

We even have two major time lines which span over 500 years within the dark ages, they concern the actual times that the Muslims reigned, the sultans and the even the Ottoman empire. So precise are these times that in 1840 a man by the name of Josiah Lynch submitted an article to the local paper which predicted the end of the Ottoman empire to the very day. He turned out to be right and thousands became believers in Bible prophecy.

So there are definitely no gaps in prophecy from the end of the Roman empire to the last days.

What is more, the prophecies in Daniel span from 457 BC to 1844 AD and the Papal reign is in there - 1260 years. 

Two complimentary books, hundreds of years apart, saying the same thing.

Jesus and the apostles all taught about these times, as a great tribulation, a great apostasy, and many such things.

And yet here is another factor, the sanctuary in heaven has a precise service which is according to its type in earth, which the Jews knew well. This service in heaven also covers the time from John to the end of time, and its furniture from the outside to the inside, are intentionally placed in the texts which deal with that certain time. So that as we walk through history and prophecy, the articles of the sanctuary appear in the precise moments of time.

Once again no gaps and no dismissal of the truth.

[Marilyn C]

18 hours ago, Sister said:

Hi Marilyn

 Daniel 2:33   His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.

Daniel 2:41   And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

God already showed us what the IRON represents?   We know the legs are ROME.  So when Rome collapsed, FRAGMENTS of that empire started the NEXT ONE, the feet, and the toes.  So simple?

I gave you scriptures but you still don't want to see it?  Symbols play an important role in SCRIPTURE, how can you say it's not based on scripture?  If you can't follow the symbols properly the doctrine is going to be all messed up.

The feet and toes does not only have THE STRENGTH of the IRON, but was formed out of the IRON.

 

 

Hi Sister,

Yes I agree that symbols are important in scripture, however they are NEVER  a basis for doctrine. You have ONLY given me symbols as a basis for your theory.

And God does give us His interpretation of the `feet & toes,` in scripture, so there is no need for us to speculate.

I do realise this RRE theory has been around for a while &  people have not been shown God`s interpretation. Thus I am giving people time to discuss & think about what their theory is based on, before I write what God`s word says.

Marilyn.

[Marilyn C]

Hi Kan,

Again I see a lot of man`s speculation & opinion in what you write. Now do you realise you have not given any scripture to show if the RRE is truth from scripture?

Marilyn.