Kenosis doctrine is heresy

[PetriFB64]

The kenosis (kenotic) heresy leads people to the same trap which took place in Paradise when satan lied to Eve and Adam. The evil satan tempted them to commit sin, promising them that if she would eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, they would know good and evil like God. Adam and Eve did not understand good and evil like God, from the Divine perspective, but from the human perspective. Throughout the history of man, evil satan has tried to deceive people by promising them that they would be God if only they abide by the will of satan. Of course, evil satan does not introduce himself as satan when he tries to lure people into aiming for divinity, but he lies to them, masquerading as a good angel, a spirit guide, the Holy Spirit, or God.

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[Ezra]

7 hours ago, PetriFB64 said:

The kenosis (kenotic) heresy leads people to the same trap which took place in Paradise when satan lied to Eve and Adam.

Agreed. Jesus of Nazareth remained fully God and fully Man at one and the same time and His Deity was never diminished. As mentioned above, He laid aside the privileges of His Deity.  He also laid aside His glorious appearance (which was briefly revealed during the Transfiguration). 

There is a world of difference between "thought it not robbery to be equal with God" (which means that it was perfectly legitimate for Christ to be equal with God the Father) and "a thing to be grasped" (which implies that had He tried to be equal with God, it would have been illegitimate).  It is a very subtle difference, but modern Bibles support the kenotic theory.

In this regard, it is important to note that all modern Bible versions are based upon Gnostic corruptions of the New Testament which attack the Deity of Christ as well as the Holy Trinity.  Hence, Philippians 2:6-8 has also been distorted.  Please note: 

TRUE TEXT

Scrivener's Textus Receptus 1894
ὃς ἐν μορφῇ Θεοῦ ὑπάρχων, οὐχ ἁρπαγμὸν ἡγήσατο τὸ εἶναι ἴσα Θεῷ,

CORRECT TRANSLATIONS

King James Bible
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Young's Literal Translation
who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal to God,

INCORRECT TRANSLATIONS

New American Standard Bible 
who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,

New International Version (Paraphrased)
Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;

English Standard Version
who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,

[Guest shiloh357]

Jesus did not empty Himself of anything that makes Him God.   A theology professor said regarding this, "God is not a pizza."   A pizza can have any combination of ingredients and still be pizza.  You can take away and add whatever you want.    But God is not like that.  Jesus did not give up any of His divine attributes.   He temporarily surrendered the prerogative of His divinity and operated in submission to the Father. 

Jesus became a servant.   While on earth, Jesus did not view His equality with God the Father to be something to exploit to His own advantage.

[Guest Robert]

6 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

Jesus did not empty Himself of anything that makes Him God.   A theology professor said regarding this, "God is not a pizza."   A pizza can have any combination of ingredients and still be pizza.  You can take away and add whatever you want.    But God is not like that.  Jesus did not give up any of His divine attributes.   He temporarily surrendered the prerogative of His divinity and operated in submission to the Father. 

Jesus became a servant.   While on earth, Jesus did not view His equality with God the Father to be something to exploit to His own advantage.

Agreed; but I do have one point of contention with you on this Shiloh:

Now you made me want pizza for dinner!!!! :lol:

[PetriFB64]

Some people who uphold the kenosis doctrine say that when Jesus said the Son can do nothing of himself, so it is the proof that the kenosis doctrine is Biblical and correct. When we study the Bible, we see that the aforesaid thing is not true.

John 5:
15 The man departed, and told the Jews that it was Jesus, which had made him whole.
16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
17 ¶ But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

The Lord Jesus healed a man on the Sabbath day. The Jews persecuted Jesus, because He had healed a man on the Sabbath day. The Lord Jesus did not say that He healed this man being himself as the man or that He was not God when He healed this man. The Lord Jesus said, My Father works till now, and I work.

The Lord Jesus meant that like the Father is doing His works, so also the Son (Jesus) is doing His (the Son) works like the Father works. In other words, the Lord Jesus meant that He is God, who is doing the works of God. The Jews understood this matter exactly in that way that Jesus made Himself as God and broke the Sabbath. Jesus didn't break the Sabbath.

The words of Jesus that He can do nothing Himself, but what He sees the Father do, for what things soever He does, these also does the Son likewise means that Jesus is doing the will of His Father, but not that Jesus Himself is unable to make miracles. The Lord Jesus said the He make the things that the Father is doing. The Lord Jesus did everything by Himself, but not against the will of His Father. When the Bible speaks about the will of God, so it means that Jesus as God has the same will as His Father has.

When you understand this so you understand that Jesus' words the Son can do nothing Himself, but what He sees the Father do, means that Jesus doesn't do anything against the will of His Father, and all what Jesus did, He did it as God and He has the same will as His Father has. When the Bible says that Jesus emptied (kenoo) Himself and took on him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men, and being found in fashion as a man, so it means that Jesus voluntarily went away from the glory of God's kingdom and came to be God in the fashion of a man on the earth to atone sins of the mankind. When Jesus emptied Himself, He didn't give up from His Deity, but that God became as the flesh, in other words as a man. The Kenosis doctrine is a heresy, because Jesus is in all situations God who visited on the earth in a fashion of a man.

[Your closest friendnt]

BH

On 10/7/2016 at 4:51 AM, PetriFB64 said:

The kenosis (kenotic) heresy leads people to the same trap which took place in Paradise when satan lied to Eve and Adam. The evil satan tempted them to commit sin, promising them that if she would eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, they would know good and evil like God. Adam and Eve did not understand good and evil like God, from the Divine perspective, but from the human perspective. Throughout the history of man, evil satan has tried to deceive people by promising them that they would be God if only they abide by the will of satan. Of course, evil satan does not introduce himself as satan when he tries to lure people into aiming for divinity, but he lies to them, masquerading as a good angel, a spirit guide, the Holy Spirit, or God.

More info: http://www.kotipetripaavola.com/kenosisdoctrineheresy.html

 

I see your reference to the garden and Adam and Eve and the snake , I do not know if you want to say that you are not happy and you would rather have Adam and Eve not      disobeying God, is that what you are sugesting?

[Your closest friendnt]

On 10/7/2016 at 4:51 AM, PetriFB64 said:

The kenosis (kenotic) heresy leads people to the same trap which took place in Paradise when satan lied to Eve and Adam. The evil satan tempted them to commit sin, promising them that if she would eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, they would know good and evil like God. Adam and Eve did not understand good and evil like God, from the Divine perspective, but from the human perspective. Throughout the history of man, evil satan has tried to deceive people by promising them that they would be God if only they abide by the will of satan. Of course, evil satan does not introduce himself as satan when he tries to lure people into aiming for divinity, but he lies to them, masquerading as a good angel, a spirit guide, the Holy Spirit, or God.

More info: http://www.kotipetripaavola.com/kenosisdoctrineheresy.html

 

Jesus is portrait as the second Adam, he was born, he was a baby, he needed the guidance and the protection from his family, to feed him, teach him, besides the protection of his family he also had the guidance and protection of angels and later on the father gave him the guidance of, the holy  spirit till his death on the cross ,he needed the guidance of the holy spirit to complete his mission and remain in full obedience to the father till his death