All Saints Day

[markdohle]

8 hours ago, RustyAngeL said:

I agree. 

They have the mind of Christ Jesus, whatever saints can do, they do through grace.

Peace
mark

[Guest BacKaran]

Hi, 

I'm not judging his heart. Only God can do that but he can't be born again and remain in a false religion and church. Adrian Rogers days it better

The church is an assembly of all saved aka  born again believers.

I'm not judging his heart, but I can't believe he's saved unless he's out from a false religion. Why would anyone follow the pope or an imam when they don't follow Christ. Or even a protestant pastor, who in my case, never spoke of sin and the needed for redemption, it was all fluff and puff.  

There is more at stake here than just a mere difference of opinion.         As you will see, it goes to the very heart of the matter.              Will We Follow Truth or Error?  Adrian Rogers, former head of the Southern Baptist Convention said,  "It is better to be divided by truth than to be united in error.  It is better to speak the truth that hurts and then heals, than falsehood that comforts and then kills.  Let me tell you something, friend, it is not love and it is not friendship if we fail to declare the whole counsel of God.  It is better to be hated for telling the truth, than to be loved for telling a lie.  It is impossible to find anyone in the Bible who was a power for God who did not have enemies and was not hated.  It's better to stand alone with the truth, than to be wrong with a multitude.  It is better to ultimately succeed with the truth than to temporarily succeed with a lie. There is only one Gospel  and Paul said, "If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed."

 

[Littlelambseativy]

There was a time in my life when all my friends were catholic..I was certainly not. One day in conversation one of them said she was praying to her father, I said I prayed to God theFather, and she questioned if I never prayed to my father. No. he died why would I pray to him? Her response was, do you not believe he is a saint in heaven? Yes, he accepted a Jesus but his soul alone is in heaven and he  cannot answer my prayer only the Father if I as in Jesus name. 

I then asked my other friend who had accepted Jesus, though she still went to to the Catholic Church if she had heard of this she said she had never heard of praying to someone who had died. 

My question is this ..why the discrepancy in doctrine. One was French one Italian. Is there a difference in teaching? 

I know about praying for the dead but never to the dead.

[warrior12]

On 11/1/2016 at 8:53 AM, markdohle said:

All Saints Day

I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one--
as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they
be in us so that the world will believe you sent me.—John 17:21

Today within Christendom all Saints day is celebrated.  It is in reality a feast day for all Christians, though many do not celebrate it.  Jesus prayed that we may be one with him as he is with the Father.  Those who are now with the Lord are truly one with the Trinity and have put on the Mind-of-Christ in its fullness.  So because of this oneness, that we all share because of our faith, though hidden from our sight, is now experienced in all of its wonder by the saints.  Because they have the mind of Christ they also continue to participate as members of the Body-of-Christ by their prayers and concern for us.  Because of this oneness, to ask the saints to pray for us is the same as asking those still in this world to do the same, for again, we are all one in Christ Jesus.  He is the head, we are the members. 

 

⁴ There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; ⁵ one Lord, one faith, one baptism; ⁶ one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.—Ephesians 4: 4-6

 

 

Markdohle, sir, brother.   In your post above you equate those men as having the mind of Christ.  But the scriptures says otherwise as i have shown below.   Christ do not share his glory with another.  .  Orderly dialogue is good and i hope you see this at just that, just trying to point out where i see discrepancy in your statement.  

Romans 11:

³³ O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

³⁴ For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?

 

[markdohle]

1 hour ago, warrior12 said:

Markdohle, sir, brother.   In your post above you equate those men as having the mind of Christ.  But the scriptures says otherwise as i have shown below.   Christ do not share his glory with another.  .  Orderly dialogue is good and i hope you see this at just that, just trying to point out where i see discrepancy in your statement.  

Romans 11:

³³ O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

³⁴ For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?

 

1 Corinthians 2:16New King James Version (NKJV¹⁶ For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?”^[a] But we have the mind of Christ.

The above quote says differently.  We are to put on Christ Jesus, so that we can say it is not I who live but Christ Jesus in me.  We are called to suffer and rise with Christ Jesus for as St. Paul says again: 

Now I rejoice in what I am suffering for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ's afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church.

This unity is shown by the prayer of Christ in the last discourse:

I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one--
as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they
be in us so that the world will believe you sent me.—John 17:21

I union with Christ is deeper and more intimate than many understand.  As well as our unity with all, since Christ died for all.  It seems Christians can be too quick to separate themselves and divide as well as judge in ways they really have no right to, or actually the ability to. 

I am appalled on how billions of souls are consigned to hell by some here.....when in fact we are told not to judge on that level when dealing with others.  To point out what is wrong is one thing, but only God knows the soul, for Christ died for each soul. 

English Standard Version
The LORD is good to all, and his mercy is over all that he has made.



 

 

 

[1to3]

Coming back to the topic of all saints day.

 

The early part of fall is known as a time of harvesting from the summer.

The end of fall is known as turning the earth, planting bulbs for the next summer and closing the garden for the dormant winter.

At this time of the year, the leaves are falling the trees aging, changing colors to become barren, bears and other animal and aquatic life go into hibernation-deep sleep-

 Natures life for many parts of the world  goes at this time into a sleep to await the spring and renewing of activity. And somewhere else on this earth like in Australia, spring is beginning, the life cycle commences once again.

At this time of closure, the Americans are preparing for thanksgiving and remembering their past ancestors for all that they made possible for America to become what it is.

The Canadians begin the end of October to the beginning weeks of November, to sell  plastic red poppies to remember all those who served in war.

It is a remembrance NOT a praying to the dead, but  a remembering of history, and the people.

Its not about praying to them, its about remembering them.

 

Usually at this time of the year, it gets colder, the days become shorter and the nights longer. The clocks are changing back and many people are retreating into a winter mode, a more introspective time, as winter gives well for more of a studious and reflective time.

I lost my mother 13 years ago, I lost my father 39 years ago, both side of grandparents are passed, and just recently my beloved uncle passed in the early spring. I have also lost some dear friends over the years and I do think about them.

I don't pray to any of them, but I think of them,  I pray to God through His only beloved Son Christ Jesus as it is His BLOOD that was sacrificed for my sins and sickness, and in Him alone I am made whole and part of Gods family.

However, I do miss my parents and sometimes do think of them and wish I could say hello to them. And sometimes I ask God to please tell my parents hello and that I love them and miss them. I do this also with one of my grandfathers with whom I was very close to and think of from time to time. And now my uncle who has recently passed, I do miss him a lot, because we kept regular communications with one another through phone calls and care packages sent to one another. This is the first year where we will not be sending any longer care packages to one another or calling each other.

And this time, when all is me dormant, cold and dark, I can understand why people have a day or time for remembrance.

This day of November or any day of remembering loved ones who are now no longer with us, is quite a normal thing to do as they where a part of the thread and construction/destruction of what made us to be where we are today.

There is nothing wrong with remembering the soldiers who paid dearly for our freedom by laying flowers at their grave or lighting a candle in remembrance for them.

The same it is not wrong to remember family or friends and place flowers or light a candle in their cemetery where they are berried or just in ones home or workplace as a sign of remembrance for these people lives.  Gone but not forgotten.

That's how I look at All Saints Day . In loving remembrance and respect for those who have passed-on.

One can look at things with the heart of faith

or with a heart full of fear.

The day still continues either way

 

 

 

 

Edited November 3, 2016 by 1to3

[warrior12]

7 hours ago, markdohle said:

1 Corinthians 2:16New King James Version (NKJV¹⁶ For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?”^[a] But we have the mind of Christ.

The above quote says differently.  We are to put on Christ Jesus, so that we can say it is not I who live but Christ Jesus in me.  We are called to suffer and rise with Christ Jesus for as St. Paul says again: 

Now I rejoice in what I am suffering for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ's afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church.

This unity is shown by the prayer of Christ in the last discourse:

I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one--
as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they
be in us so that the world will believe you sent me.—John 17:21

I union with Christ is deeper and more intimate than many understand.  As well as our unity with all, since Christ died for all.  It seems Christians can be too quick to separate themselves and divide as well as judge in ways they really have no right to, or actually the ability to. 

I am appalled on how billions of souls are consigned to hell by some here.....when in fact we are told not to judge on that level when dealing with others.  To point out what is wrong is one thing, but only God knows the soul, for Christ died for each soul. 

English Standard Version
The LORD is good to all, and his mercy is over all that he has made.



 

 

 

Mr. Markdhole.  Certainly the verse  states that we have the mind of Christ.  Christ is diety and God, isn't he. But what exactly is the mind of Christ .?  Is it to be one with Christ in all his attributes ?. Well that cannot be as we are still in the fleshy world and we are still capable of committing sin, even though it may not be willful.  We have scripture to know Christ virtues and teachings, plus he has left the Holy Spirit with us to teach and guide us.  In laymans term, this is how i interpret having the mind of christ.  Each believer, reads the same scripture and thus should have the same identity of those scripture how we are to live in Christ.   We are not equall with Christ, we are his servants as he is God and no one is equall with God, he is supreme and the Lord of Host.

Yes, off course we are to share in Christ sufferings as Paul clearly states in his epistles. Paul was called by the lord to do this ministry as written in scripture.  But we are to bear our cross in our journey and walk with the lord.

 Luke 14:27King James Version (KJV)
27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

Paul was called to spread the gospel as we know from scripture and his sufferings are recorded as such .   Each man has to bear his cross and his sufferings will be according to what the Lord allows.  

You quoted John 17:21 ,  but in that same chaper vs 9, what did it say,  see below

John 17:9
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

In the same chapter vs  20 

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

I am not a scholar and theologian,  so my interpretations may not be to the experts ones, but i see it as i have described it. 

Also my statement that "Christ does not share his glory with another " stands to be corrected as he 
does say in john 17:22.   But i was referring to those who are not of his kingdom.

john 17:22
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are 
one:

One question i have though.  If people are to ask those men to pray for them, who are those men to send those prayers to.?

[1to3]

I just looked up all saints day on google and found this site:

 

http://www.catholic.org/saints/allsaints/

 

it gives a catholic version of what all saints means to Catholics.:

 

 

All Saints' Day is also commemorated by members of the Eastern Orthodox Church as well as some protestant churches, such as Anglican, Lutheran and Anglican churches.

Generally, All Saints' Day is a Catholic Holy Day of Obligation, meaning all Catholics are required to attend Mass on that day, unless they have an excellent excuse, such as serious illness.

Other countries have different rules according to their national bishop's conferences. The bishops of each conference have the authority to amend the rules surrounding the obligation of the day.

All Saints' Day was formally started by Pope Boniface IV, who consecrated the Pantheon at Rome to the Virgin Mary and all the Martyrs on May 13 in 609 AD. Boniface IV also established All Souls' Day, which follows All Saints.

The choice of the day may have been intended to co-opt the pagan holiday "Feast of the Lamures," a day which pagans used to placate the restless spirits of the dead.

The holy day was eventually established on November 1 by Pope Gregory III in the mid-eighth century as a day dedicated to the saints and their relics. The May 13 celebration was subsequently abandoned.

In Ireland, the Church celebrated All Saints' Day on April 20, to avoid associating the day with the traditional harvest festivals and pagan feasts associated with Samhain, celebrated at the same time.

Following the establishment of the Frankish Empire, and following the reign of Charlemagne, the holy day, which was already celebrated on November 1, became a holy day of obligation by decree of Pope Gregory IV and Louis the Pious, who was king over a portion of Charlemagne's former empire.

Following the Protestant Reformation, many Protestants retained the holy day, although they dismissed the need to pray for the dead. Instead, the day has been used to commemorate those who have recently died, usually in the past year, and to remember the examples of those who lived holy lives.

The Catholic practice however, celebrates all those who have entered heaven, including saints who are recognized by the Church and those who are not.

Holy day customs vary around the world. In the United States, the day before is Halloween and is usually celebrated by dressing in costumes with themes of death commonly associated. Children go door-to-door in costume, trick-or-treating, that is soliciting candy from their neighbors. The holiday has lost much of its connection to its religious origins.

Although nearly everyone celebrates Halloween for the fun of the secular holiday, the following religious solemnity, is not widely practiced or acknowledged by most Americans unless they are Catholic.

In other countries, such as Portugal, Spain and Mexico, traditional practices include performance of the play, "Don Juan Tenorio" and offerings made to the dead. All Saints' Say occurs on the same day as the Mexican "Dide los Innocentes" a day dedicated to deceased children.

Across much of Europe, the day is commemorated with offerings of flowers left on the graves of the dead. In Eastern Europe, candles are lit on graves instead of offerings of flowers.

In some places, such as the Philippines, graves can be painted and repaired by family members. Many of these practices blur the distinction between All Saints' Day and All Souls' Day.

These celebrations often blur the distinction between All Saints' Day, which is properly dedicated to those who are in heaven, and All Souls' Day, on which prayers are offered for all those who have died, but have not yet reached heaven.

In Mexico, the Day of the Dead holy days extend from October 31 through November 2.

It is important to remember these basic facts:

Halloween is a secular holiday that comes the night before All Saints' Day.

All Saints' Day is on November 1, and it is a Holy Day of Obligation.

All Souls' Day in on November 2, and it is NOT a Holy Day of Obligation.

The Day of the Dead is a Mexican holiday that has spread in popularity into parts of the United States and across Latin America. It is celebrated from October 31 through November 2, to coincide with both the American tradition and the Catholic holy days. Those three days are dedicated to all of the dead.to all of the dead.

 

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More about All Saints' Day from Wikipedia

All Saints' Day (in the Roman Catholic Church officially the Solemnity of All Saints and also called All Hallows or Hallowmas^[1]), often shortened to All Saints, is a solemnity celebrated on 1 November by parts of Western Christianity, and on the first Sunday after Pentecost in Eastern Christianity, in honor of all the saints, known and unknown.

In Western Christian theology, the day commemorates all those who have attained the beatific vision in Heaven. It is a national holiday in many historically Catholic countries. In the Roman Catholic Church, the next day, All Souls' Day, specifically commemorates the departed faithful who have not yet been purified and reached heaven. Catholics celebrate All Saints' Day and All Souls' Day in the fundamental belief that there is a prayerful spiritual communion between those in the state of grace who have died and are either being purified in purgatory or are in heaven (the 'church penitent' and the 'church triumphant', respectively), and the 'church militant' who are the living. Other Christian traditions define, remember and respond to the saints in different ways.

In the East

Eastern Orthodox icon of All Saints. Christ is enthroned in heaven surrounded by the ranks of angels and saints. At the bottom is Paradise with the bosom of Abraham (left), and the Good Thief (right).

Eastern Christians of the Byzantine Tradition follow the earlier tradition of commemorating all saints collectively on the first Sunday after Pentecost, All Saints' Sunday.

The feast of All Saints achieved great prominence in the ninth century, in the reign of the Byzantine Emperor, Leo VI "the Wise" (886.911). His wife, Empress Theophano.commemorated on December 16.lived a devout life. After her death in 893,^[2] her husband built a church, intending to dedicate it to her. When he was forbidden to do so, he decided to dedicate it to "All Saints," so that if his wife were in fact one of the righteous, she would also be honored whenever the feast was celebrated.^[3] According to tradition, it was Leo who expanded the feast from a commemoration of All Martyrs to a general commemoration of All Saints, whether martyrs or not.

This Sunday marks the close of the Paschal season. To the normal Sunday services are added special scriptural readings and hymns to all the saints (known and unknown) from the Pentecostarion.

The Sunday following All Saints' Sunday.the second Sunday after Pentecost.is set aside as a commemoration of all locally venerated saints, such as "All Saints of America", "All Saints of Mount Athos", etc. The third Sunday after Pentecost may be observed for even more localized saints, such as "All Saints of St. Petersburg", or for saints of a particular type, such as "New Martyrs of the Turkish Yoke."

In addition to the Sundays mentioned above, Saturdays throughout the year are days for general commemoration of all saints, and special hymns to all saints are chanted from the Octoechos.

In the West

The Western Christian holiday of All Saints' Day falls on November 1, followed by All Souls' Day on November 2, and is a Holy Day of Obligation in the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church.

The origin of the festival of All Saints celebrated in the West dates to May 13, 609 or 610, when Pope Boniface IV consecrated the Pantheon at Rome to the Blessed Virgin and all the martyrs; the feast of the dedicatio Sanctae Mariae ad Martyres has been celebrated at Rome ever since. There is evidence that from the fifth through the seventh centuries there existed in certain places and at sporadic intervals a feast date 13 May to celebrate the holy martyrs.^[4] The origin of All Saints' Day cannot be traced with certainty, and it has been observed on various days in different places. However, there are some who maintain the belief that it has origins in the pagan observation of 13 May, the Feast of the Lemures, in which the malevolent and restless spirits of the dead were propitiated. Liturgiologists base the idea that this Lemuria festival was the origin of that of All Saints on their identical dates and on the similar theme of "all the dead".^[5]

The feast of All Saints, on its current date, is traced to the foundation by Pope Gregory III (731.741) of an oratory in St. Peter's for the relics "of the holy apostles and of all saints, martyrs and confessors, of all the just made perfect who are at rest throughout the world", with the day moved to 1 November and the 13 May feast suppressed.^[6]

This usually fell within a few weeks of the Celtic holiday of Samhain, which had a theme similar to the Roman festival of Lemuria, but which was also a harvest festival. The Irish, having celebrated Samhain in the past, did not celebrate All Hallows Day on this November 1 date, as extant historical documents attest that the celebration in Ireland took place in the spring: "...the Felire of Oengus and the Martyrology of Tallaght prove that the early medieval churches [in Ireland] celebrated the feast of All Saints on April 20."^[7]

A November festival of all the saints was already widely celebrated on November 1 in the days of Charlemagne. It was made a day of obligation throughout the Frankish empire in 835, by a decree of Louis the Pious, issued "at the instance of Pope Gregory IV and with the assent of all the bishops", which confirmed its celebration on November 1. The octave was added by Pope Sixtus IV (1471.1484).^[8]

The festival was retained after the Reformation in the calendar of the Anglican Church and in many Lutheran churches. In the Lutheran churches, such as the Church of Sweden, it assumes a role of general commemoration of the dead. In the Swedish calendar, the observance takes place on the Saturday between October 31 and November 6. In many Lutheran Churches, it is moved to the first Sunday of November. It is also celebrated by other Protestants of the English tradition, such as the United Church of Canada, the Methodist churches, and the Wesleyan Church.^[9]

Protestants generally regard all true Christian believers as saints and if they observe All Saints Day at all they use it to remember all Christians both past and present. In the United Methodist Church, All Saints' Day is celebrated on the first Sunday in November. It is held, not only to remember Saints, but also to remember all those that have died that were members of the local church congregation.^[10] In some congregations, a candle is lit by the Acolyte as each person's name is called out by the clergy. Prayers and responsive readings may accompany the event. Often, the names of those who have died in the past year are afixed to a memorial plaque.

In many Lutheran churches, All Saints' Day and Reformation Day are observed concurrently on the Sunday before or after those dates, given Reformation Day is observed in Protestant Churches on October 31. Typically, Martin Luther's A Mighty Fortress is Our God is sung during the service. Besides discussing Luther's role in the Protestant Reformation, some recognition of the prominent early leaders of the Reformed tradition, such as John Calvin and John Knox, occurs. The observance of Reformation Day may be immediately followed by a reading of those members of the local congregation who have died in the past year in observance of All Saints' Day. Otherwise, the recognition of deceased church members occurs at another designated portion of the service.

Roman Catholic Obligation

In the Roman Catholic Church, All Saints' Day is a Holy Day of Obligation in many (but not all) countries, meaning going to Mass on the date is required unless one has a good reason to be excused from that obligation, such as illness. However, in a number of countries that do list All Saints' Day as a Holy Day of Obligation, including England & Wales, the solemnity of All Saints' Day is transferred to the adjacent Sunday if 1 November falls on a Monday or a Saturday, while in the same circumstances in the United States the Solemnity is still celebrated on November 1 but the obligation to attend Mass is abrogated.

Customs

All Saints' Day at a cemetery in O.wi.cim, Poland, 1 November 1984

In Portugal, Spain, and Mexico, offerings (Portuguese: oferendas, Spanish: ofrendas) are made on this day. In Spain, the play Don Juan Tenorio is traditionally performed. In Mexico, All Saints Day coincides with the celebration of "DĂ­de los Inocentes" (Day of the Innocents), the first day of the Day of the Dead (Dia de los Muertos) celebration, honoring deceased children and infants. In Portugal, children celebrate the PĂŁpor-Deus tradition, and go door to door where they receive cakes, nuts and pomegranates. This only occurs in some areas around Lisbon.

In Austria, Belgium, France, Hungary, Italy, Luxembourg, Malta, Portugal, Spain, and American Cities such as New Orleans people take flowers to the graves of dead relatives.

In Poland, the Czech Republic, Sweden, Finland, Slovenia, Slovakia, Lithuania, Croatia, Austria, Romania, Moldova, Hungary and Catholic parts of Germany, the tradition is to light candles and visit the graves of deceased relatives.

In the Philippines, this day, called "Undas", "Todos los Santos" (literally "All Saints"), and sometimes "Araw ng mga Patay" (approximately "Day of the dead") is observed as All Souls' Day. This day and the one before and one after it is spent visiting the graves of deceased relatives, where prayers and flowers are offered, candles are lit and the graves themselves are cleaned, repaired and repainted.

In English-speaking countries, the festival is traditionally celebrated with the hymn "For All the Saints" by William Walsham How. The most familiar tune for this hymn is Sine Nomine by Ralph Vaughan Williams. Catholics generally celebrate with a day of rest consisting of avoiding physical exertion.

Notes

1. ^ "Hallows" meaning "saints," and "mas" meaning "Mass"; the preceding evening (Halloween) is the "Vigil or Eve of All Hallows".
2. ^ The date in Vita Euthymii, not printed until 1888 "makes it seem practically (though not absolutely) certain that she died on 10 Nov. 893". Glanville Downey, "The Church of All Saints (Church of St. Theophano) near the Church of the Holy Apostles at Constantinople" Dumbarton Oaks Papers, Vol. 9/10, (1956:301-305).
3. ^ Downey 1956.
4. ^ C. Smith The New Catholic Encyclopedia 1967: s.v. "Feast of All Saints", p. 318.
5. ^ For example, Violet Alford ("The Cat Saint", Folklore 52.3 [September 1941:161-183] p. 181 note 56) observes that "Saints were often confounded with the Lares or Dead. Repasts for both were prepared in early Christian times, and All Saints' Day was transferred in 835 to November 1st from one of the days in May which were the old Lemuralia"; Alford notes Pierre Saintyves, Les saints successeurs des dieux, Paris 1906 (sic, i.e. 1907).
6. ^ "All Saints Day," The Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church, 3rd edition, ed. E. A. Livingstone (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1997), 41-42; The New Catholic Encyclopedia, eo.loc.
7. ^ Hutton, Ronald (1996). Stations of the Sun: A History of the Ritual Year in Britain. New York: Oxford Paperbacks. ISBN 0-19-285448-8.
8. ^ The Catholic Encyclopedia (New York, Robert Appleton Company, 1907), s.v. "All Saints' Day" (see External links, below).
9. ^ Religions in Canada
10. ^ [1]^{[dead link]}
11. ^ "New Orleans Saints FAQ", NewOrleansSaints.com, March 2010, NOLA-S-FAQ.

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I grew up in a christian/catholic home but I think the catholic part was believing in Christ more than all the other stuff related to what Catholicisms represents. One side of my family was more protestant and the other my fathers side was Catholic but not really more deeply involved than the average Sunday mass, sometimes Friday evening  mass going catholic and prayers in the evening before going to bed and prayers before most every meals.

I don't ever remember my family paying really any attention on all saints day, and we certainly did not go to church on that day unless it was a Sunday.

But to be fair, after my father died, I continued with my mother to go to a Pentecostal church and was kind of DE-indoctrinated out of the catholic belief system as re-acquainted more deeply into the teachings of the old and new testament without all the ornamentation and add-ons that the catholic church has.

 

In a way, I rather not look further into all these man made created rituals coming from all different places. sure it good to be informed, but also its important to know that not everybody adheres fully and exactly to the line and dot to all these different ways and belief systems set in forth to keep people occupied to find some kind of meaning out of this life and unto the life after death.

I think  my first comment to this blog, is that people in the fall and winter had to come up with something to pass the time and seasons and make something out of a rather bleak and cold season. The pagas did something, the Christians did something else to perhaps overshadow the pagans. However winter time is a time of dormancy and people look always for ways to entertain themselves or find some kind of meaning out of life.

 

I do think however that the christian church, catholic and protestant and Judaism gave the world some kind of order to go by that seemed to help make society a more civil , and a more  moral place, more so than if that had not existed.  The teachings of morality from Judaism, and Christianity have helped to make this world more  civil and human rather than savage and animistic.

I just find in today's world, removing Christianity form society is making the world a colder and more unfriendly place to live in.