Marcus O'Reillius Posted February 11, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,050 Content Per Day: 0.36 Reputation: 632 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/29/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted February 11, 2017 "The bravest are surely those who have the clearest vision of the what is before them, glory and danger alike, and yet not withstanding, go out to meet it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill16652 Posted February 11, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 288 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 312 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/25/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted February 11, 2017 Its called the church age that will end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted February 11, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,762 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted February 11, 2017 On 2/10/2017 at 2:53 AM, n2thelight said: The elect were chosen before the foundation of the world Ephesians 1:4 "According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:" What does it mean to be "chosen"? It means that there are certain people that God chosen in the first earth age, to do a task for Him in this flesh earth age. This is not reincarnation, for it is appointed for each of us to go through this earth age, the flesh earth age, once and only once. We read; "...It is appointed unto men once to die [in the flesh], but after this the judgment." Hebrews 9:27 This appointing and choosing took place before the foundation of this earth age; the second earth age [cosmos] that we now live in. "Without blame" refers to the fact that God intercedes in certain peoples lives. Certain people have free will, while certain others are of God's election, however, God doesn't play favorites. Christ died for the sins of all who will repent; the chosen, and the free-will. All must repent for sins they commit, and love the Lord Jesus Christ, to have the hope of His glory. "Before the foundation of the world", [cosmos in the Greek, meaning world or earth age.] The "foundation" in the Greek text, is the verb for, "the overthrow". This refers to something that happened in that first earth age, before the overthrow of Satan and his angels that followed him. When Satan fell [war against God], one third of all angelic beings [God's children] followed Satan. Then during that war, there were some who fought against Satan, and those who did, God calls "His Chosen". They took a stand, and were overcomers in that first earth age. Being a christian does not make one the elect Interesting you did not include Romans 8:28-30 to be part of your explanation of who God chose. Let's look at those verses. And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. It seems that in order to follow the rest of scripture, especially John 3:16 where God has an open invitation to the whole world, free choice has to play part of being chosen. Notice that God foreknew. Foreknew means that He knew beforehand, indicating that God, seeing down through time, knew who would accept His Son and who would not, choosing whom He knew would accept His plan for salvation. Is this first earth age a time before Genesis 1:1? As for your last statement, have you considered the many times Christians during the tribulation period are called elect in scripture? I will agree that they are not of the 144,000 that are to be sealed, also know as the elect. Look up G1588. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus O'Reillius Posted February 12, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,050 Content Per Day: 0.36 Reputation: 632 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/29/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted February 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Bill16652 said: Its called the church age that will end Give that man a cigar! Agreed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted February 12, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,762 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted February 12, 2017 22 minutes ago, Marcus O'Reillius said: Give that man a cigar! Agreed! I though smoking was bad for you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted February 12, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,991 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,689 Content Per Day: 11.80 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Author Share Posted February 12, 2017 1 hour ago, OneLight said: I though smoking was bad for you! It is but it does not stop people from smoking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted February 12, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,762 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted February 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, missmuffet said: It is but it does not stop people from smoking. That was a joke ... notice the smiley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus O'Reillius Posted February 12, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,050 Content Per Day: 0.36 Reputation: 632 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/29/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted February 12, 2017 10 hours ago, inchrist said: Well lets test it.....im sure you can provide scripture. Silly rabbit: Trix are for kids. Mt 24:31“And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other. What do you call it when you gather up all the believers from the face of the earth? The Rapture. Where is the Church then, Mister Scholar, when there aren't any of it left on the face of the earth? But you insist that God tell you that straight out? Good luck with that. Do you need to spoon-fed, or have you no discernment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted February 12, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,762 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted February 12, 2017 47 minutes ago, Marcus O'Reillius said: Silly rabbit: Trix are for kids. Mt 24:31“And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other. What do you call it when you gather up all the believers from the face of the earth? The Rapture. Where is the Church then, Mister Scholar, when there aren't any of it left on the face of the earth? But you insist that God tell you that straight out? Good luck with that. Do you need to spoon-fed, or have you no discernment? We do read about the elect that will be sealed by God, the 144,000, which I see as being sealed during the great tribulation. Not commenting on what you may be discussing, just bring this to light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus O'Reillius Posted February 12, 2017 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,050 Content Per Day: 0.36 Reputation: 632 Days Won: 3 Joined: 03/29/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted February 12, 2017 55 minutes ago, OneLight said: We do read about the elect that will be sealed by God, the 144,000, which I see as being sealed during the great tribulation. Not commenting on what you may be discussing, just bring this to light. Mt 24:31 doesn't say the Elect are sealed. It says they are gathered up. And Rev 7's sealing is replicated in a parallel account in Rev 14 where the 144,000 are the firstfruits of the Harvest. And true to form with that agricultural practice and religious duty of the Jews - that sealing comes before the Harvest from the clouds in Rev 14:14-16. The 144,000 are not the Elect gathered up in the Harvest, I beg to differ with your interpretation. "Elect" is defined in the New Testament when speaking of people, as being those who truly believe in Jesus as the Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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