The Rapture of the Church

[missmuffet]

15 minutes ago, Abdicate said:

Actually "rapture" is in the scriptures it's just we've translated it to Latin before coming into English, it's called harpatzo... catch away violently.

- Original: ἁρπάζω
- Transliteration: Harpazo
- Phonetic: har-pad'-zo
- Definition: 
1. to seize, carry off by force
2. to seize on, claim for one's self eagerly
3. to snatch out or away 
- Origin: from a derivative of G138
- TDNT entry: 08:52,8
- Part(s) of speech: Verb

Here's the verse list with this word in it bolded:

Matt 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

Matt 13:19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth [it] not, then cometh the wicked [one], and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

John 6:15 When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone.

John 10:12 But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.

John 10:28-29 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave [them] me, is greater than all; and no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand.

Acts 8:39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

Acts 23:10 And when there arose a great dissension, the chief captain, fearing lest Paul should have been pulled in pieces of them, commanded the soldiers to go down, and to take him by force from among them, and to bring [him] into the castle.

2Cor 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth; ) such an one caught up to the third heaven.

2Cor 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

1Thess 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Jude 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling [them] out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and [to] his throne.

Rapture:
1. The state of being transported by a lofty emotion; ecstasy.
2. An expression of ecstatic feeling. Often used in the plural.
3. The transporting of a person from one place to another, especially to heaven.

[Obsolete French, abduction, carrying off, from rapt, carried away, from Old French rat, from Latin raptus.]

I can't wait for the catching away for select few, Luke 21:36.

 

Right. The Holy Trinity is not written as such in Scripture but it is in the Bible.

[Keras]

People who believe they will be suddenly taken to heaven, before any kind of trial or testing, are simply deluded.

That idea never happened in the past, many have been tested unto death, is not prophesied for the future and is refuted by Jesus Himself. John 3:13 + many other scriptures saying we Christians must endure and keep faithful till the end. Rev 13:9

But what is promised to those who stand firm, is the great blessings of God to His people, as they go to live in all of the holy Land, being as He always wanted His people to be; His witnesses and the Light to the nations. That is our destiny and our great privilege.

[missmuffet]

7 minutes ago, Keras said:

People who believe they will be suddenly taken to heaven, before any kind of trial or testing, are simply deluded.

That idea never happened in the past, many have been tested unto death, is not prophesied for the future and is refuted by Jesus Himself. John 3:13 + many other scriptures saying we Christians must endure and keep faithful till the end. Rev 13:9

But what is promised to those who stand firm, is the great blessings of God to His people, as they go to live in all of the holy Land, being as He always wanted His people to be; His witnesses and the Light to the nations. That is our destiny and our great privilege.

Well I guess time will tell won't it? Do you think that those kind of thoughts will allow a person to deny the rapture of the Church when it actually happens before the seven year tribulation? They will be so focused on their belief that any such thing is impossible or deluded.

[ENOCH2010]

1 hour ago, missmuffet said:

Well I guess time will tell won't it? Do you think that those kind of thoughts will allow a person to deny the rapture of the Church when it actually happens before the seven year tribulation? They will be so focused on their belief that any such thing is impossible or deluded.

NO they will be raptured just like all the believers in the false pre-trib doctrine. They will be pleasantly surprised, what about the pre-tribers, if they are wrong how will they react  

[Keras]

27 minutes ago, ENOCH2010 said:

NO they will be raptured just like all the believers in the false pre-trib doctrine. They will be pleasantly surprised, what about the pre-tribers, if they are wrong how will they react  

A good question. If God does do something different, [impossible; Malachi 3:6a] and a rapture removal to heaven happens, all true Christians would go.

But those rapture believers who find themselves still on earth as disaster strikes all around, will stand helpless, not knowing which way to turn. Luke 21:25-26  Some rapture believers say to those who challenge their belief, that because we deny such a thing, we must remain on earth and face the Great Tribulation.  Is that a good Christian attitude?

Davida, 1 Thess 4:15-17 is a prophecy about what will happen when Jesus Returns to earth. Heaven is not mentioned.

Edited January 27, 2017 by Keras

[heretoeternity]

Matthew 24...29 to 31....Jesus refers to the tribulation and says "immediately after" the tribulation He send His angels for His elect..and He will  come in the clouds and everyone shall see Him.    Sounds very conclusive  doesn't it?

[Keras]

2 hours ago, heretoeternity said:

Matthew 24...29 to 31....Jesus refers to the tribulation and says "immediately after" the tribulation He send His angels for His elect..and He will  come in the clouds and everyone shall see Him.    Sounds very conclusive  doesn't it?

Yes. When Jesus Returns, immediately after the Great Trib, He will send out His angels to gather those who remain and we shall always be with Him. 1 Thessalonians 4:17  ON EARTH

[Marcus O'Reillius]

4 hours ago, Keras said:

Yes. When Jesus Returns, immediately after the Great Trib, He will send out His angels to gather those who remain and we shall always be with Him. 1 Thessalonians 4:17  ON EARTH

It doesn't say on the earth.

Jesus said in the parable of the wheat and tares that we would be taken out of the field of this world.

So your replacement theory of Israel as our promised land goes against what our Lord said.

[Keras]

7 hours ago, Marcus O'Reillius said:

It doesn't say on the earth.

Jesus said in the parable of the wheat and tares that we would be taken out of the field of this world.

So your replacement theory of Israel as our promised land goes against what our Lord said.

It surely doesn't say heaven either.  But Revelation 5:9-10 does say we will be on earth, which fits with the many prophesies of how the Lord's people will live in all of the holy Land.

Nowhere is it said that we will be taken to heaven.  The holy people of the Lord are in the Land of Israel during the last days. Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7 proves it.  And there is only one people of the Lord. Why be so determined to go to heaven? Living as God wants us to be and Blessed by Him, as He promises, will be like heaven; on earth.

[Ezra]

38 minutes ago, Keras said:

Nowhere is it said that we will be taken to heaven.  The holy people of the Lord are in the Land of Israel during the last days.

Since the land of Israel is for the 12 tribes of Israel, your fundamental premise is very seriously flawed.  In fact, it is sheer nonsense, since the Church is shown in Heaven very clearly. Those who persist in error when they are shown the truth will simply go into more error.