Steve_S Posted January 25, 2017 Group: Servant Followers: 25 Topic Count: 275 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 5,208 Content Per Day: 0.99 Reputation: 1,893 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/02/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted January 25, 2017 20 minutes ago, Out of the Shadows said: That sure won't happen, in my opinion. I think Trump will shift some stuff around, some areas will see much less governmental interferences and other will see much more. I believe the net result will be less freedoms for individual and greater riches for the already rich and powerful. I don't have an opinion on whether or not it will happen. I think there's more of a chance of it happening with him than with any president in the last 30 years, simply because he doesn't seem to believe things are politically impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted January 25, 2017 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.67 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 25, 2017 51 minutes ago, missmuffet said: Do you think that a lot of people voted their pocketbook and thought Trump was a better deal in that regard? But of course they did, and he was the better of the two choices people thought they had to choose between. And in the short term that will be improved. But that will happen with the removal of banking/finance regulations as well as environmental ones. This will be ok for a while, but eventually greed will win, and the removal of those regulations will be taken advantage of and we will see another 2008 style crash. You have to remember that for the most part the 2008 crash did not hurt the wealthy at that much, it hurt the regular Joe. That will happen again.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted January 25, 2017 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.67 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 25, 2017 51 minutes ago, Steve_S said: I don't have an opinion on whether or not it will happen. I think there's more of a chance of it happening with him than with any president in the last 30 years, simply because he doesn't seem to believe things are politically impossible. I agree that he does not believe things are politically impossible. But he is also not a conservative by any real definition of the word, so there is no good reason to think he will roll back socialist/progressive actions from the last century. He will remove the regulations that keep the really rich from getting even more rich and some of that might trickle down to the rest, but that is about it. I think you will find that just about all ultra rich people like Trump support social programs that provide for the rest of us. The amount they pay in taxes to keep them going is a drop in the bucket for them and they keep the masses from turning on the rich ruling class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_S Posted January 25, 2017 Group: Servant Followers: 25 Topic Count: 275 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 5,208 Content Per Day: 0.99 Reputation: 1,893 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/02/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted January 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Out of the Shadows said: I agree that he does not believe things are politically impossible. But he is also not a conservative by any real definition of the word, so there is no good reason to think he will roll back socialist/progressive actions from the last century. He will remove the regulations that keep the really rich from getting even more rich and some of that might trickle down to the rest, but that is about it. I think you will find that just about all ultra rich people like Trump support social programs that provide for the rest of us. The amount they pay in taxes to keep them going is a drop in the bucket for them and they keep the masses from turning on the rich ruling class. The social programs can't be rolled back without congressional action and there's not even a relatively feasible way to make social security and medicare at functional in the long term at this point anyway, those are just going to end up imploding on their own. I'm fine with massive deregulation, and, hopefully, social change if he can get two conservative justices on the court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted January 25, 2017 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.67 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Steve_S said: The social programs can't be rolled back without congressional action and there's not even a relatively feasible way to make social security and medicare at functional in the long term at this point anyway, those are just going to end up imploding on their own. I'm fine with massive deregulation, and, hopefully, social change if he can get two conservative justices on the court. Lots of people are fine with massive deregulation, till the result of it come to fruition. Greed wins 100% of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_S Posted January 25, 2017 Group: Servant Followers: 25 Topic Count: 275 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 5,208 Content Per Day: 0.99 Reputation: 1,893 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/02/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted January 25, 2017 Just now, Out of the Shadows said: Lots of people are fine with massive deregulation, till the result of it come to fruition. Greed wins 100% of the time. Greed is what led to the regulations in the first place, just from a different direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FresnoJoe Posted January 26, 2017 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 207 Topic Count: 60 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,651 Content Per Day: 1.17 Reputation: 5,761 Days Won: 4 Joined: 01/31/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/04/1943 Share Posted January 26, 2017 19 hours ago, Steve_S said: The social programs can't be rolled back without congressional action and there's not even a relatively feasible way to make social security and medicare at functional in the long term at this point anyway, those are just going to end up imploding on their own. I'm fine with massive deregulation, and, hopefully, social change if he can get two conservative justices on the court. Just Pull All Limits On The Amount Of Income Subject To SS Taxes And Pull Any Limits On The Type Of Income Exempt From SS And Medicare Taxes And Forbid Anyone From Borrowing Even For One Minute From These "Trust" Funds And They Will Instantly Swell Into The Black After All Some Rich DINO Was Bragging How His Secretary Paid More Taxes Than He Did And This Should Fix His Wagon But Good, lol~! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FresnoJoe Posted January 26, 2017 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 207 Topic Count: 60 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 8,651 Content Per Day: 1.17 Reputation: 5,761 Days Won: 4 Joined: 01/31/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/04/1943 Share Posted January 26, 2017 On 1/25/2017 at 6:52 AM, Out of the Shadows said: I got an email this morning from a friend that teaches full time at the high school I substitute at. She had a student yesterday argue that she should not have been marked wrong on his test because he had just offered "alternative facts" to answer the question. He Should Of Been A Star Reporter Proudly Proclaiming Alternative Facts To America As He Shouted On Monday, November 7, 2016 About Hillary's Upcoming Landslide Victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soonsister Posted January 26, 2017 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 0 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 647 Content Per Day: 0.24 Reputation: 283 Days Won: 1 Joined: 12/31/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted January 26, 2017 Or Leftist media is attempting to spin this phrase against Trump when it can very easily be understood as a phrase that refutes the Left's lies with actual facts. Therefore, alternative facts are that the alternative to being led by false reporting are the facts that refute the lies networks like MSNBC and CNN spin in order to slander the nation and our president. I feel for the media that is going to be dedicated for four years every single day to hating on Trump. It's going to eat them alive, those individuals that commit to that behavior. Four long years obsessed with misrepresenting president Trump and slandering everything he does. Fully intending in that agenda push to destroy themselves for the energy that takes. And America for the willful intention behind fracturing a country through the interjection of falsehoods, slander, personal attacks, and hate for all we stand for. A dictator long years ago made an observation of America's future. He said, when America falls she shall fall from within. The dedicated Leftstreamists are exactly what he was referring to. Let's hope he's wrong . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Running Gator Posted January 26, 2017 Group: Royal Member * Followers: 8 Topic Count: 91 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 10,596 Content Per Day: 3.67 Reputation: 2,743 Days Won: 25 Joined: 06/16/2016 Status: Offline Author Share Posted January 26, 2017 48 minutes ago, soonsister said: Or Leftist media is attempting to spin this phrase against Trump when it can very easily be understood as a phrase that refutes the Left's lies with actual facts. Therefore, alternative facts are that the alternative to being led by false reporting are the facts that refute the lies networks like MSNBC and CNN spin in order to slander the nation and our president. I feel for the media that is going to be dedicated for four years every single day to hating on Trump. It's going to eat them alive, those individuals that commit to that behavior. Four long years obsessed with misrepresenting president Trump and slandering everything he does. Fully intending in that agenda push to destroy themselves for the energy that takes. And America for the willful intention behind fracturing a country through the interjection of falsehoods, slander, personal attacks, and hate for all we stand for. A dictator long years ago made an observation of America's future. He said, when America falls she shall fall from within. The dedicated Leftstreamists are exactly what he was referring to. Let's hope he's wrong . Alternative facts is PC term for lies. That is what Spicer told at the press briefing that this phrase refers to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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