appy Posted May 19, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 23 Topic Count: 133 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,864 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 2,596 Days Won: 2 Joined: 08/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted May 19, 2017 My post here is in response to the first post. Man sins, but instead of saying “hey I messed up” man says.... “its all your fault”. This was the very first thing Adam did after sinning; he first blamed God, then the woman. Adam really didn't have an excuse, because he knew better. Spiderman's reasoning is basically the same thing. . . Its blaming God for mankind's wrong doing. Satan didn't make Adam sin, he tempted him to but he didn't make him do it. Even though satan was at the root of it, Adam was still responsible for his own action. Not all temptation is from satan though, some comes from our own desire to satisfy gratification. Scripture says that when a person sins he is a follower of satan, because he listens to him. Satan is a liar, has been since the beginning. And he has already been condemned. Scripture says we have free will to choose whom we will serve. We can choose to listen to God, or we can listen to satan. Passing the buck will NOT make a sinner not accountable. No matter how much you want it to, it will not work. It didn't work for Adam, and it will not work for people of today. God has provided one way to him with acquittal, so unless a person excepts that he can't get into heaven no matter who he blames. Scripture tells us that unbelief in Jesus as the way to God is the worlds sin. And as long as a person continues to not believe, he stands condemned because he refuses to believe God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appy Posted May 19, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 23 Topic Count: 133 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,864 Content Per Day: 0.62 Reputation: 2,596 Days Won: 2 Joined: 08/07/2011 Status: Offline Share Posted May 19, 2017 I want to add, that not only did I want to respond to the first post, but my reply is also based on past threads by spiderman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobRyan Posted May 20, 2017 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 711 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 266 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/12/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 20, 2017 (edited) On 5/18/2017 at 10:18 PM, Riccardo said: There are only 4 times that the bible that mention watchers Jer 4:16. Dan 4:13, 4:17, 4:23. In Jeremiah 4:16 it is exactly as it sounds, (watchers that come from a far country) these are people observing, spies. In Daniel 4:13 & 17 it says, ( & there was a watcher, a holy one.) Now if this was a fallen angel, it certainly wouldn't be called a holy one. That is true. Daniel 4 is a special case - it is about sinless beings in heaven, and as we see in Daniel 4, they pass judgment in this case on the king of Babylon. Edited May 20, 2017 by BobRyan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Bridges Posted May 20, 2017 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 349 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 300 Days Won: 2 Joined: 05/10/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 20, 2017 On 5/19/2017 at 2:53 AM, giggling appy said: My post here is in response to the first post. Man sins, but instead of saying “hey I messed up” man says.... “its all your fault”. This was the very first thing Adam did after sinning; he first blamed God, then the woman. Adam really didn't have an excuse, because he knew better. Spiderman's reasoning is basically the same thing. . . Its blaming God for mankind's wrong doing. Satan didn't make Adam sin, he tempted him to but he didn't make him do it. Even though satan was at the root of it, Adam was still responsible for his own action. Not all temptation is from satan though, some comes from our own desire to satisfy gratification. Scripture says that when a person sins he is a follower of satan, because he listens to him. Satan is a liar, has been since the beginning. And he has already been condemned. Scripture says we have free will to choose whom we will serve. We can choose to listen to God, or we can listen to satan. Passing the buck will NOT make a sinner not accountable. No matter how much you want it to, it will not work. It didn't work for Adam, and it will not work for people of today. God has provided one way to him with acquittal, so unless a person excepts that he can't get into heaven no matter who he blames. Scripture tells us that unbelief in Jesus as the way to God is the worlds sin. And as long as a person continues to not believe, he stands condemned because he refuses to believe God. Satan tempted Eve not Adam. Neither she nor Adam had the requisite understanding to overcome the leading of the much smarter adversary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted May 20, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted May 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, Wolf Bridges said: Satan tempted Eve first. Neither she nor Adam had the requisite understanding to overcome the leading of the much smarter adversary. That'sounds ridiculous, and is still going on today - the enemy is so much 'smarter adversary' than so-called scholars and religious leaders JESUS talked to, and todyay, yet little children resist satan, and satan FLEeS, as JESUS SAYS. Little children do not have to be smarter than the 'adults' a lot smarter than them, to refuse to get in the car with one, or to refuse to take the drugged candy bar from them ..... Little children just have to obey their father Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Bridges Posted May 20, 2017 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 349 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 300 Days Won: 2 Joined: 05/10/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 20, 2017 21 minutes ago, simplejeff said: That'sounds ridiculous, and is still going on today - the enemy is so much 'smarter adversary' than so-called scholars and religious leaders JESUS talked to, and todyay, yet little children resist satan, and satan FLEeS, as JESUS SAYS. Little children do not have to be smarter than the 'adults' a lot smarter than them, to refuse to get in the car with one, or to refuse to take the drugged candy bar from them ..... Little children just have to obey their father Adam and Eve were the first humans created. They did not have the knowledge humans have today of good and evil. Of right and wrong. Not all children resist the devil as we know. There are children that are murderers. Serial killers began their evil trek in their childhood. The Bible admonishes parents to lead the children in the way they should go and when they are older they will not depart from it. Parent(s) instruct children in right and wrong. Children are not possessed of that knowledge themselves because they are innocent. As was the case with the first newborns of God's making, Adam and Eve. The fruit of knowledge of right and wrong, good and evil, was forbidden them by God. Eating of that fruit insured they would die to their innocence and oneness with the Father. That's what the Bible says. And it is not ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted May 20, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted May 20, 2017 They could have obeyed. They could have refused to disobey. Just like children who are raised in the way they should go today obey their parents, do not lie nor steal nor serve idols, and do not give in to drug dealers, sexual entreaties , etc etc.... What is ridiculous is thinking contrary to Scripture that it has to do with 'intelligence' , or that 'intelligence' would help someone.... especially in LIGHT of GOD'S WORD that man's 'intelligence'/ wisdom/ knowledge is foolishness because men in the 'intelligence' replace GOD with a creation, to serve a creation , and reject God.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Bridges Posted May 20, 2017 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 349 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 300 Days Won: 2 Joined: 05/10/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 20, 2017 8 minutes ago, simplejeff said: They could have obeyed. They could have refused to disobey. Just like children who are raised in the way they should go today obey their parents, do not lie nor steal nor serve idols, and do not give in to drug dealers, sexual entreaties , etc etc.... What is ridiculous is thinking contrary to Scripture that it has to do with 'intelligence' , or that 'intelligence' would help someone.... especially in LIGHT of GOD'S WORD that man's 'intelligence'/ wisdom/ knowledge is foolishness because men in the 'intelligence' replace GOD with a creation, to serve a creation , and reject God.... How does someone make an intellectual choice without the capacity of intellect and discretionary judgment afforded obedience or disobedience? The knowledge_________________________________of good____________________________and evil. That was the fruit on the forbidden tree. The sustenance that would enter the body if consumed. That which the Bible says, God knew, the first people did not have at their creation and by God's will in making them so. They were not aware of how to obey. They did not possess comprehension. The fruit of the tree of that which is synonymous with knowledge, intelligence, of good and evil. Genesis 3:22 Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever—” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted May 20, 2017 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.38 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted May 20, 2017 Just now, Wolf Bridges said: How does someone make an intellectual choice without the capacity of intellect and discretionary judgment afforded obedience or disobedience? The knowledge_________________________________of good____________________________and evil. This is part of the evil from the tree.... .not part of what is good nor faithful nor lifegiving. Like the most successful doctors may point out - if a patient does what they are told, they recover (or at least have a very good chance, God willing, and their chance of recovery DECREASES the more false information they have if they depend on it, rely on it, or "do" what is wrong.... Likewise the religious leaders who reject JESUS, many of them even believed HIM, but refused to follow HIM for fear of men or for love of men instead of loving God and instead of obeying God. Thus JESUS gave THANKS to the FATHER in heaven for hiding salvation from the educated ones, and for revealing salvation and everything concerning salvation to INFANTS (as HE called us) , BECAUSE this is the FATHER'S GOOD PLEASURE ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Bridges Posted May 20, 2017 Group: Removed from Forums for Breaking Terms of Service Followers: 1 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 349 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 300 Days Won: 2 Joined: 05/10/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted May 20, 2017 There can be no obedience without intelligence. And this, "Thus JESUS gave THANKS to the FATHER in heaven for hiding salvation from the educated ones, and for revealing salvation and everything concerning salvation to INFANTS (as HE called us) " is not scripture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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