Problem of Genesis 1&2

[David1701]

2 minutes ago, teddyv said:

And this where the YEC heresy creeps in. It builds the gospel on the foundation of creation, not Christ. 

Umm, who created all things?  Oh, that's right, Christ himself.

God started the Bible with how he created all things.  Who are you to contradict the Lord?!  How can you, with a straight face, claim that it's heretical to believe what God says he did?

How can you have the gospel, without an account of creation and the Fall coming first?  You cannot, of course.

[teddyv]

Just now, David1701 said:

Umm, who created all things?  Oh, that's right, Christ himself.

God started the Bible with how he created all things.  Who are you to contradict the Lord?!  How can you, with a straight face, claim that it's heretical to believe what God says he did?

How can you have the gospel, without an account of creation and the Fall coming first?  You cannot, of course.

Christ alone is the foundation of the gospel and our faith. Imposing interpretations that usurp that is just hanging millstones on everyone's necks. It also denies the revelation and testimony of the created order that is telling a story that has no conflict except when 21st century Christians fully embrace philosophical modernity and apply it to the text of the Bible.

 

[LearningToLetGo]

1 hour ago, teddyv said:

Christ alone is the foundation of the gospel and our faith.

Yes! I feel and have always felt that the Bible can be inspired, truthful and poetic. We can and must hold "conflicting" ideas regarding the OT otherwise we'll spin around chasing our tails. Bronze age people did not think they way we do, just as people thousands of years from now will not think as we do now. (For proof look at how culture has changed in just the last fifty years). God created. He created in six distinct events. Our ancient ancestors called these events "days." Maybe they were. Maybe they weren't. I don't know. What I do know is "day" was the unit of time that made sense to Moses (or whoever eventually scribed the texts) and that is sufficient. The salient message is God is the creator and no one else. Period. Squabbling over minutia is fun (oh, how I enjoy debating nonsense), but is also irrelevant in the context of understanding our Lord and building a healthy relationship with Him.

[David1701]

2 hours ago, LearningToLetGo said:

Yes! I feel and have always felt that the Bible can be inspired, truthful and poetic. We can and must hold "conflicting" ideas regarding the OT otherwise we'll spin around chasing our tails. Bronze age people did not think they way we do, just as people thousands of years from now will not think as we do now. (For proof look at how culture has changed in just the last fifty years). God created. He created in six distinct events. Our ancient ancestors called these events "days." Maybe they were. Maybe they weren't. I don't know. What I do know is "day" was the unit of time that made sense to Moses (or whoever eventually scribed the texts) and that is sufficient. The salient message is God is the creator and no one else. Period. Squabbling over minutia is fun (oh, how I enjoy debating nonsense), but is also irrelevant in the context of understanding our Lord and building a healthy relationship with Him.

If you believe what Gen. 1 says, then you will believe that God created the heaven and the Earth in six literal days.  Anything else is calling God a liar and that does not build a healthy relationship with him, or with other Christians.

[nagzie harb]

1 hour ago, David1701 said:

If you believe what Gen. 1 says, then you will believe that God created the heaven and the Earth in six literal days.  Anything else is calling God a liar and that does not build a healthy relationship with him, or with other Christians.

How do you explain the two different words as in  Genesis 1:1 "created" (bara) - and the rest of creation with the word "made." (asa)

Edited September 12, 2021 by nagzie harb

[David1701]

2 minutes ago, nagzie harb said:

How do you explain the two different words as in  Genesis 1:1 "created" (bara) - and the rest of creation with the word "made." (asa)

Your question is erroneous.  Bara is not only used in Gen. 1:1, but also in Gen. 1:21,27.

How do you explain the error in your question?

[LearningToLetGo]

2 hours ago, David1701 said:

If you believe what Gen. 1 says, then you will believe that God created the heaven and the Earth in six literal days.  Anything else is calling God a liar and that does not build a healthy relationship with him, or with other Christians.

Thank you for passing judgement on me.

[teddyv]

3 hours ago, David1701 said:

If you believe what Gen. 1 says, then you will believe that God created the heaven and the Earth in six literal days.  Anything else is calling God a liar and that does not build a healthy relationship with him, or with other Christians.

Lacking in grace and humility with other Christians is probably a bigger barrier to relationship here. YEC has absolutely no salvific value. It's just more legalism.

[nagzie harb]

2 hours ago, David1701 said:

Your question is erroneous.  Bara is not only used in Gen. 1:1, but also in Gen. 1:21,27.

How do you explain the error in your question?

There is no error in my question.What you fail to understand is that the word "Bara" is a creation of something from nothing. Genesis 1:1,21,27. The word "Asa" to "make" something from an already "created" material. Simple!
Your answers are a creation of your own understanding and not that of the Bible.

[Guest]

Since @David1701 cannot follow a link, I've reprinted David Reagan's article below.

Source: http://www.learnthebible.org/evidence-for-the-gap-theory-from-the-creation-story.html

Evidence for the Gap Theory From the Creation Story

Content Author: 

Reagan, David

The Heaven and the Heavens

In Genesis 1:1, God clearly states that “God created the heaven and the earth.”  The word heaven , as you can see, is singular.  This distinction separates those who have faith in the preservation of the English text from Hebrew scholar wannabes.  The Hebrew word can be correctly translated in different contexts as either heaven or heavens .  And, most modern English versions translate this passage as heavens .  However, a Bible-believing study of Genesis One and the doctrine of heavens in the scripture show that heaven in the singular is the only possible correct translation.

Before we look at this evidence, consider the contrast between Genesis 1:1 and 2:1.  In Genesis 1:1, God created the “heaven.”  However, in Genesis 2:1, the Bible declares,  “Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.”  Earth is still singular but the heaven of 1:1 becomes the completed heavens of 2:1.  How many heavens are there and when were the additional heavens created? 

The Bible teaches the number of heavens in 2 Corinthians 12:2 where the Apostle Paul relates this experience: “I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.”  This is God’s heaven; the highest heaven. Therefore, there are three heavens.

The heavens are built in stories (Amos 9:6). Compare the heavens to the three stories on Noah’s ark (Genesis 6:16).

• The first heaven is the atmosphere or the atmospheric heaven. It is called the “open firmament of heaven” (Genesis 1:20) because it is the one we access and it is open to the heaven above it. It was created on the second day of the six days of creation (Genesis 1:6-8).
• The second heaven is the starry heaven or out space. It is called “the firmament of the heaven” (Genesis 1:14-19) and was created on the second day (Genesis 1:6-8).
• The third heaven (2 Corinthians 12:4) is simply heaven or God’s heaven (1 Thessalonians 4:16). It is sometimes called the “heaven of heavens” (Nehemiah 9:6); (Psalm 148:4) or “paradise” after the resurrection and ascension of Christ (2 Corinthians 12:4). It was created in Genesis 1:1 in the beginning. That is why Genesis 1:1 refers to “heaven” while Genesis 2:1
  refers to the “heavens.”  Only one heaven had been created in the very beginning. There had been no separation between heavens as there it today. The heaven of Genesis 1:1 must refer to God’s heaven—one that was not created during the six days of creation but had an earlier existence.

The Moving of the Spirit

One of the works of the Spirit is that of renewal; of making new again. This is His work. God sends forth his spirit and “renewest the face of the earth” (Psalm 104:30). This is His work with fallen man (Titus 3:5). This was very likely His work with the destroyed earth in Genesis 1:2. But consider, only that which already exists can be renewed.

The Creation Day Formula

Throughout the six-day creation story, each day begins with “And God said” (Genesis 1:3, 6, 9, 14, 20, 24) and each day ends with “And the evening and the morning were the [number] day” (Genesis 1:5, 8, 13, 19, 23, 31). According to this formula, the first day of creation began in Genesis 1:3 making the events of the first two verses previous to the six-day creation.

The Command to Replenish

When man was created, he was told to “replenish the earth” (Genesis 1:28). Replenish means to refill in its most common meaning. Yes, the Hebrew can also mean just to fill and the English word can be defined this way in some cases. However, in cases of doubt on the meaning of a word, they key is to find a Bible answer. This answer is found in Genesis 9:1. In the second passage, the word refers to the command given to Noah and his family after the destruction of the flood and clearly means to refill. The commissions are parallel in several ways and the word must have the same meaning in both places.

The Crowding of the First Day

If the first day included Genesis 1:1-2, the following events would all have occurred on that one 24-hour day.

1. The creation of God’s heaven           
2. The creation of the heavenly beings: angels, cheribum, serriphim, etc.
3. The creation of the earth
4. The song of the angels who sang at the creation of the earth (Job 38:4-7)
5. The creations of the waters that are upon the earth (Genesis 1:2)
6. The moving of the Spirit on the waters
7. The creation of light (with this order, the angels evidently sang in the dark)