Jude1:3 Posted December 15, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 391 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 158 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/14/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted December 15, 2017 • Greek manuscript of the Book of Enoch, from the 4th century. Apart of The Chester Beatty Biblical Papyri. from: - University of Michigan, Ann Arbor Library https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chester_Beatty_Papyri https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Enoch#/media/File:P._Chester_Beatty_XII,_leaf_3,_verso.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Chester_Beatty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted December 15, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,605 Content Per Day: 3.97 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted December 15, 2017 (edited) 7 hours ago, ForHisGlory37 said: Justin, I'm not quite understanding what you are saying, could you please explain a bit more with detail? thanks....... also, you know how it says that in the last days it will be like the days of Noah, what do you think those fallen angels or wicked men will do? I think this transhumanism and maybe the GMO, crossing animal DNA with plant DNA might be what that verse is referring to... Another thought that I had, what do you think about those legends about the cyclops, minotaurs, centaurs, and such creatures were maybe not legends but real? Maybe they were part of the corrupted animals that the "angels that left their first estate" corrupted? Esdras says (like Yeshua) they will be TAKEN [we who are left will suffer]. Early Romans concocted the rapture stuff that became popular with Darby and now the mistaken believers. It is WHY they removed Esdras in 1684. Look it up. Angelic disobedience is a far greater 'sin' from Yahweh's point of view than the fall of humans. They taught us all kinds of ways to kill and disobey - Greek myths are the cross breedings. These watchers were in the beginning with Yahweh - they knew what DNA did and how to manipulte it. Yeshua came to reconcile the WHOLE OF CREATION and Yahweh uses mere humans to poke at angelic disobedience. 'what angels long to look into' is a direct reference to Yahweh's distrust of His own council. So prophesy is very deliberately obtuse. He says so! You only find out AFTER THE FACT normally. Still people are being experimented on. MK-Ultra and abductions along with experiments. Stay very far away from psycho-heresy - it is a MAJOR tool. Freud and Jung were occultists. As in the days of Noah, Yeshua say clearly THEY WERE TAKEN - the bad people not the good. Watch out for this because it is a huge church division where the 'taken' are supposed to be the good guys. So while we look for temple rebuilding and AoD and all the pre-trib hype, people are under an incorrect assumption of peace - peace peace where there is no peace. They await the false signs and take it easy relying on a rapture that will never happen. The first angel with the sickle reaps the bad dudes. The second will reap the saints that made it just as the whole place gets nuked I think. Whichever way you read Esdras and other scriptures, it is going to be bad for the 'left behind' people because they are the ones that are BLESSED. Edited December 15, 2017 by Justin Adams 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted December 15, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,605 Content Per Day: 3.97 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted December 15, 2017 6 hours ago, MorningGlory said: The 144,000 are of the twelve tribes of Israel. They could not be angels. Perhaps glorified then. They are described as PURE etc. So they follow Yeshua and are 'blameless' and have not been defiled with women, so are virgins. They are perhaps completed humans with resurrection bodies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted December 16, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.11 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted December 16, 2017 22 hours ago, Jude1:3 said: What you posted has nothing to do with the Quotes I posted from Church Father Tertullian. I know; I wasn't matching text for text. I'm just pointing out inconsistencies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jude1:3 Posted December 17, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 391 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 158 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/14/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted December 17, 2017 Edit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted December 19, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.11 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted December 19, 2017 Jude, if you're going to post the entire Book of Enoch, I'm going to have to post every single refutation of that book. I know from experience that no one will read either your Enoch text or my refutations. So why not save the keystrokes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted December 19, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 597 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,106 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,839 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 19, 2017 If you do then only post the ones that pertain to 1 Enoch for that's what we are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted December 19, 2017 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.11 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted December 19, 2017 48 minutes ago, other one said: If you do then only post the ones that pertain to 1 Enoch for that's what we are talking about. Okay. I get confused with Enoch 1,2 and 3. I've been told that the last two are suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted December 19, 2017 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 597 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,106 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,839 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted December 19, 2017 1 hour ago, MorningGlory said: Okay. I get confused with Enoch 1,2 and 3. I've been told that the last two are suspect. 2 is an incomplete thing, but 3 is something that a kabbalistic rabbi wrote in about 300 AD. It is basically Egyptian/Zohar mysticism. Really not good. It is unfortunate that it carries the name Enoch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jude1:3 Posted December 20, 2017 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 19 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 391 Content Per Day: 0.16 Reputation: 158 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/14/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted December 20, 2017 7 hours ago, MorningGlory said: Okay. I get confused with Enoch 1,2 and 3. I've been told that the last two are suspect. Yeah, I'm specifically referring to 1 Enoch. I'm on the fence when it comes to 2 Enoch. I don't think 3rd Enoch is legit though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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