America and the great prostitute

[Dennis1209]

12 hours ago, Cobalt1959 said:

New Age is a blanket term for the Emergent Church/New Age Spirituality.  It is just the age-old satanic lie of God-in-everything, all paths lead to heaven, all you have to do is be "good," we are all little gods heresy re-packaged in a prettier, more palatable box.  Same lie, different name.

America's decline did not begin after World War II, and your statement that America defiled themselves at that point is both incorrect and mildly insulting.

America's moral decline can be directly traced to societal developments in the 60's.  The Beat Generation, then the Mod Generation and finally the Hippie Generation gave us prolific drug use, sexual immorality, and today's prevalent Me First attitude.  Hipsters, Millennials and Social Justice Warriors are these same groups on steriods.  And they will finish what the Hippies started and finish America's decline into the 3rd World dust bin.  I highly doubt that America will figure much into the end times at all because we will no longer be a powerful enough nation to have much influence over anything.  And that down-grade in status is much closer to happening than most people realize.

No argument here whatsoever, but I might add America has sent more missionaries around the world than anyone else, even today. 

Imagine the rapid acceleration of decline when one day in the near future, the Democrats, liberals, evolutionists, Emergent Church, the Hillary Clinton's, Barrack Obama's and the anti-God crowd looks around, and discovers millions of its citizens have suddenly disappeared. The "humanists" are going to have a field day and think the world's problem has been eradicated and now there is no restraint or resistance. Things are bad now and getting worse exponentially, but after that mighty trumpet sound and shout "come up here", woe to those left behind. 

[Sower]

1 hour ago, Cobalt1959 said:

I know that you did not mean to insult.  But when you lump everyone together in an inaccurate statement, that is what you do.

The moral problem did not markedly begin in America after WW II.  The moral breakdown in society did not begin in earnest until the 1960's.  I know, I was there for that decade and even as a child in the late 60's you could just feel that something not good was going on.  That feeling is even stronger now.  As has been pointed out in other threads, the Hippie generation was bereft of morals, bereft of a sense of personal responsibility and they had no wish to work for what they wanted.  Those same people grew up to populate either our academic institutions or they became useless politicians like Bill & Hillary Clinton.  And they have poisoned an entire generation of people with the same disease they had.  But this is a different strain and it is much more virulent and resistant to treatment than the last one was.

I agree with you about the sixties, it was a huge change. I left in sixty six for overseas,  all of sixty seven, cane back in late sixty eight, San Francisco California, to a different world. (California still is, a different country... )  However, I do believe that the second world war, and the victory, tipped the descending avalanche, gaining speed through the Beatnik/rock fifties, erupting in the sixties.  When all the men joined up to fight overseas, the women stepped up to the plate and took over the manufacturing of necessary guns, ammo, planes tanks, etc, and were very good at it. Thus, after the war,  began the major influx of women in the workplace, two income households, into a new affluence for the masses. And the kids, with this new affluence, and pampering, left to the influence of prosperity and less parental control, continued the down hill spiral. I also was there, and accept my generation's guilt. 

[frienduff thaylorde]

17 hours ago, HAZARD said:

I wont be here.  God will take His faithful saints, His Church out of the world before the great Tribulation.

Well no matter what you believe..........just remember I warned us all to also take no chip or tattoe rfid in or on the skin.  We fully damned if we do.

Just remember that .   just remember that.     Just truly remember that .

[frienduff thaylorde]

11 hours ago, Zoltan777 said:

The great prostitute is not a city but an evil angel, satan's servant who was is and will be manifested in this world in many forms and many places but her location is not permanent but moving where she can get the most influence as it can be seen during the human history. Even though you can't visually see her but she can be identified through her characteristic and her name gives us some clues: "Babylon the great the mother of prostitutes and of the abominations of the earth."

Her name is associated with Babylon the city which is Babel in Hebrew. As we all know tower of Babel and plan's of the people was destroyed by God. Their intention was to stay together in Union and live in a multi-cultural society. The name Babel in Hebrew is  בלל (balal) which is a two root-verbs comes from בלל (bll) and יבל (ybl). It means mixing or confusing and carried or dragged away.

Later on when Babylon was established again these characteristics remained. Mixing people in confusion and deception. When the city grew in power they conquered many nations and carried them to Babylon which became the largest city and greatest empire known in the ancient time.

Also, the name Jezebel is associated with this evil angel so further characteristics can be be identified through her. Jezebel was the daughter of Ethbaal (meaning man of baal), king of the Sidonians. She was a priestess of Baal and Asherah. Asherah is the same as Ishtar, the goddess of Babylon. Jezebel name means chaste which quite deceptive. In some other translation her name  אִיזָבֶל ('Izevel/'Izavel) 'Where is the Prince?'. She was married to Ahab king of Israel. Ahab was a weak spineless king and her wife was a very strong- minded woman who controlled Israel. She became the leader and requested a state religion and people of Israel went astray. Only 7000 people remained who refused to worship baal. She was also after God's prophet Elijah to kill him. Also, Jesus mentioned some other characteristic of her which is related to sexual uncleanness.

In summary, what we can learn from these is she is a strong character who wants to rule. Her plan is to mix and confuse people and nations to live in union in a multi-culture society that is under her control. Her deception is working through sexual uncleanness. And she is against God and his prophets who talks against her plan.

So if you can see these things somewhere in the world it means she is operating on that place. As I said her seat is not permanent but she is moving where she can get the most influence on the world and lately is America I believe. But I also believe when the antichrist empire will be established according to revelation her place will be rome

OH.......................the harlot that rides the beast is not a city.     Better tell that angel in revelation chapter seventeen.   He messed it up .

[frienduff thaylorde]

Just now, frienduff thaylorde said:

OH.......................the harlot that rides the beast is not a city.     Better tell that angel in revelation chapter seventeen.   He messed it up .

Lets not get carried away.   SHE IS  THT  CITY

[HAZARD]

35 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

OH.......................the harlot that rides the beast is not a city.     Better tell that angel in revelation chapter seventeen.   He messed it up .

The Beast, the seven heads and the ten horns on the beast are entirely different from the beast itself. The beast is the eighth of a sucession of world powers from the beginning of Israel as a nation in Egypt to the second advent when Israel will be delivered from the Gentiles and "the times of the Gentiles" will end. The beast as the eighth kingdom will be ruled by the personal, visible, and mortal human being, the Antichrist, and the personal immortal angel, the prince of Grecia. This prince of Grecia will be liberated out of the pit during the existence of the kingdoms and will cause the Antichrist to rise to power over the original four Grecian divisions, thus reviving the Grecian Empire, which was not in existence in Johns day, and which had existed before his day, and which will exist as the eighth kingdom in the day of the second advent of Christ to the Earth.

This revived Grecian Empire will engulf the whole ten kingdoms of the revised Roman Empire during the first part of the Week. Then by the end of the last half of the Week it will engulf the countries of the east and north of the ten kingdoms.  But before Antichrist goes further inhis world conquests he is defeated by Christ at Jerusalem (Zech. 14). Thus the Antichrists kingdom will be the greatest of all the eight Gentile world powers, but he will fall short of total world conquests like all before him.

[Wayne222]

On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 0:37 PM, Zoltan777 said:

I am not American. But as an outsider I can see a dramatic change in the last 60 years in America history. The way it was before and the way it is now it's like the earth and the sky.

After the world war 2 something went terrible wrong and all their women and men defiled themselves. Very few who remained holy. Furthermore the whole world has followed America in their sexual uncleanness. The land of opportunity became the capital of pornography.

I don't want to offend anyone but I can associate the great prostitute more with America than with the Vatican. 

Maybe that woman Jesabel went over and sit on America neck.

America will fall because sin has increase greatly. Maybe that's why we have so much murder in this country. Immorality and drugs and drinking. And Hollywood movies. We will decline more. But it's the same every country. South America is like this. Europe is like this. Maybe the reason the Muslims are moving in to punish us.

 

 

[Dennis1209]

3 minutes ago, Cobalt1959 said:

I realize that.  But that does not make up for the fact that we've murdered 59 million people in this country through abortion since 1973.  That does not mitigate the fact that the U.S. hosts 60% of the world's pornography sites and overwhelmingly produces most of the world's pornography.  God is not going to turn a blind eye to America's acute moral problems because we send missionaries to other countries.  Those missionaries could carry a great deal more credibility if the country they came from did not seem to have a split personality.

You're correct and I have no debate there. 

And because of those evils, and many, many more collectively as a nation, there's no doubt we are going to be severely judged as a nation, probably in the not too distant future. It's my suspicion and guess, the only reason we have not been judged nationally yet might be for three reasons?

1. Our nation has lead the way sending missionaries to every corner of earth.

2. Our historical support for Israel as a nation and supporting her people. (God will bless those who bless Israel and curse those that curse Israel)

3. Perhaps, just perhaps, God is giving us a Nineveh moment? God sets and dethrones Kings and Presidents. Against all political pundits and polls, I'm of the opinion a miracle happened with the election of Trump. I personally would not be surprised if this was our last moment and chance as a nation, to repent from turning this nation from a God fearing Christian nation, to a heathen pagan society that has legislatively removed the One True living God from our public lives. Today, in our country you can openly worship any pagan or deity, including Satan and Allah, that you desire without persecution, but invoke the precious name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and many want to destroy you, your occupation, business and family. 

[frienduff thaylorde]

1 hour ago, Cobalt1959 said:

I can agree with almost everything you said, except the sentiment expressed in the bolded statement.  How is Trump supposed to accomplish that when he, at least at face value, is not a Christian?  How does he know that is supposed to be his goal?  I think it is ill-advised to hope for even a quasi theocracy since the only successful theocracy will be the one Christ Himself sets up.  But I would like to see America actually live the values it continually says it has. When talking about how the rest of the world hates us I notice that the same people who say this continually fail to acknowledge the fact that America, as a country, is a hypocrite.  That fact generates a good deal of the world's disdain for us.

And on that too I must concur.    Trump is not here to save the church.   What so many who hoped in him do not realize is............He is here To change her .

So many have placed hopes in a man.   But most don't even consider WHO the main prophets that got the church to support trump.  THEY WERE FALSE and MONEY HUNGRY.

When false prophets support a man and their flocks hope in a man.................it never bids well at all.   Trump never was , never will be what they hoped for.

Instead he will begin a more positive christain message, one which will destroy anything good that was even left morally .    The man IS UNIVERALIST

norman Vincent peale raised.     and the church knows nothing .   As Obama led the left to get far worse in its agenda for a all inclusive church

sadly trump will spout in different ways the same messgage.    While Obama , trump in approach and appearance seem so different

the one thing TRUMP , Obama and elites , hiller too have in common, is UNIVERSAL ALL INCLUSIVE WORLD and CHURCH........but I KNOW its spouted different.

Trump will do unto the right what hillery could not have done.    Had hillery tried to get the evangelical to be more inlusvie .......it would have failed

Had hillery tried to unite the right under the transgender all inclusive , it would have failed.........but trump will do it .....and the RIGHT WILL CHEER.............

As Obama was more delusion unto the left...................so trump is unto the right.  the KEY....................FALSE PROPHETS SUPPORTED BOTH MEN

THAT is a sign in itself.   NOT A GOOD ONE EITHER.    The right lost under Romney...............but instead of holding on to what little it had not sold out yet

it changed , it became more inclusive and it is NOW given the delusion of its heart.    I am sorry for so many .    I truly am.

But long , long ago by grace I learned something.................we don't vote the lesser of two evils , we don't support the lesser of two evils.....WE SUPPORT NO EVIL.

[frienduff thaylorde]

I am waiting for the ones who come and say, but trump ran against the elites he ran against the system...........

OH HE DID...........................

But how do you as an elite get an agenda into another side.    Bid one to come and run against you , speak against the system

speak against the world govt, speak against the elites.......and yet  do its bidding and they will NEVER see it for what it is...............THIS WORKS.................