Believers who reject the writings of Paul?

[Vickilynn]

Shalom y'all, 

I am engaged in a discussion with a gal who is posting Hebrew Roots false teaching that Paul is not an Apostle and his writings are not Scripture. This is mainly because Paul's letters expose the error in the Torah Observance groups who elevate works and Torah adherence. So, to eliminate that little glitch, it is essential to try to eliminate Paul and his truth.

My question is, how prevalent is this dogma that Paul is a false Apostle? Do we see it outside of the Hebrew Roots / Torah Observance groups?

[Heleadethme]

2 hours ago, Vickilynn said:

Shalom y'all, 

I am engaged in a discussion with a gal who is posting Hebrew Roots false teaching that Paul is not an Apostle and his writings are not Scripture. This is mainly because Paul's letters expose the error in the Torah Observance groups who elevate works and Torah adherence. So, to eliminate that little glitch, it is essential to try to eliminate Paul and his truth.

My question is, how prevalent is this dogma that Paul is a false Apostle? Do we see it outside of the Hebrew Roots / Torah Observance groups?

It is so terribly sad how Hebrew roots has led to so much error....instead of just awakening the church to renewed efforts to get the gospel to the Jews.  We should never have gotten away from the simple way.....the Jews and Israel need the exact same gospel that saves us all, not altered one iota...and not tearing any pages out of the bible.  Some even think that Jews are saved under the Abrahamic covenant and don't need the atonement of Yeshua/Jesus.  What has also unfortunately happened with all this is that the wall of partition that was done away with has been re-erected.......whereas the bible says now we know no man after the flesh any longer......and that we are to glory not in the flesh.   God's way is the best way.......so we should not tamper with it.....and actually His way is the ONLY way.

 

[frienduff thaylorde]

1 hour ago, Heleadethme said:

It is so terribly sad how Hebrew roots has led to so much error....instead of just awakening the church to renewed efforts to get the gospel to the Jews.  We should never have gotten away from the simple way.....the Jews and Israel need the exact same gospel that saves us all, not altered one iota...and not tearing any pages out of the bible.  Some even think that Jews are saved under the Abrahamic covenant and don't need the atonement of Yeshua/Jesus.  What has also unfortunately happened with all this is that the wall of partition that was done away with has been re-erected.......whereas the bible says now we know no man after the flesh any longer......and that we are to glory not in the flesh.   God's way is the best way.......so we should not tamper with it.....and actually His way is the ONLY way.

 

And the real kicker is,  they see the Abrahamic convenant erroneous.   FOR in THY SEED shall all nations be blessed.   Paul does such a wonderful job of explaining it.

Thy seed as in one not many...........thy seed as in CHRIST.  the abrhamic convent IS the gospel.   and so many miss that.

IT is the promised given unto the Fathers...........it always pointed to faith and faith in Christ .      Abraham saw HIS day on the mount

HE saw it and he rejoiced.   A RAM GOD WOULD PROVIDE .    Abraham SAW JESUS DAY and the name of the mount says it all..........Jehovah jireh

IN the MOUNT of the LORD it shall be SEEN, PROVIDED.       Their never was a different plan for jews and or gentiles.......it always was, is and shall be

the one true gospel of Christ that is the ONLY answer and ONLY salvation a man of any tribe , nation , language can have .     Paul fought so hard

 

[frienduff thaylorde]

2 minutes ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

And the real kicker is,  they see the Abrahamic convenant erroneous.   FOR in THY SEED shall all nations be blessed.   Paul does such a wonderful job of explaining it.

Thy seed as in one not many...........thy seed as in CHRIST.  the abrhamic convent IS the gospel.   and so many miss that.

IT is the promised given unto the Fathers...........it always pointed to faith and faith in Christ .      Abraham saw HIS day on the mount

HE saw it and he rejoiced.   A RAM GOD WOULD PROVIDE .    Abraham SAW JESUS DAY and the name of the mount says it all..........Jehovah jireh

IN the MOUNT of the LORD it shall be SEEN, PROVIDED.       Their never was a different plan for jews and or gentiles.......it always was, is and shall be

the one true gospel of Christ that is the ONLY answer and ONLY salvation a man of any tribe , nation , language can have .     Paul fought so hard

 

He fought so hard to try and get some jews who had come to Christ , but were then going back under the law , to return back to JESUS only saves.

the law cannot earn us salvation, in fact by it we are found sinners only.  BUT IN CHRIST the law IS PUT ON OUR HEARTS to LIVE IT out by grace alone.  SING IT PEOPLES < SING IT>

[Heleadethme]

8 hours ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

And the real kicker is,  they see the Abrahamic convenant erroneous.   FOR in THY SEED shall all nations be blessed.   Paul does such a wonderful job of explaining it.

Thy seed as in one not many...........thy seed as in CHRIST.  the abrhamic convent IS the gospel.   and so many miss that.

IT is the promised given unto the Fathers...........it always pointed to faith and faith in Christ .      Abraham saw HIS day on the mount

HE saw it and he rejoiced.   A RAM GOD WOULD PROVIDE .    Abraham SAW JESUS DAY and the name of the mount says it all..........Jehovah jireh

IN the MOUNT of the LORD it shall be SEEN, PROVIDED.       Their never was a different plan for jews and or gentiles.......it always was, is and shall be

the one true gospel of Christ that is the ONLY answer and ONLY salvation a man of any tribe , nation , language can have .     Paul fought so hard

 

Oh, a big huge AMEN! to that, brother......"the Abrahamic covenant is the gospel".........and can only be received by faith, ie, in spirit........it transcends cultures.  Now we know Yeshua/Jesus after the flesh no longer, as well......but in spirit.  Abraham was looking for a city whose foundations are in God, ie, His Spirit, not in dust of the earth.........his thoughts were above, his affections were above.  Law was added later because of transgressions........because they weren't entering by faith so the Lord gave them a tutor.........and yet all in His foreknowledge, and He planned accordingly, that Israel would become the ensample to the mystery of God hid from the foundation of the world, the gospel, His Body the church, foreshadowing it.......remembering that the church, the Body of Messiah, the gospel, is equally for Jews and Gentiles, for whosoever will. 

I have heard it said that the Gentiles hijacked the gospel from the Jews.......but that shows how the wall of enmity has been put back up, whereas in Messiah that partition is supposed to have been taken down.  Dividing the land for gain......is ensample of dividing the Body of Messiah for gain......and that is what has been happening......sadly!  Whereas we should know what Paul wrote in Romans....how it is the Lord who concluded them in unbelief that He might have mercy on them all........through the gospel coming to them from the Gentiles........oh the depths of the riches of the wisdom of God, for who has been His counsellors!  He is the one who planned it this way.

No wonder the devil wants to get rid of Paul any way he can, and I share our sister's very serious concern in the OP.  I have a deep longing for Israel to know the Lord Christ, the Messiah and be saved.  I don't like travelling but had to fly somewhere recently,and as we landed at the airport coming back I happened to see an Israeli airplane on the tarmack......my heart swelled with gladness and hope.......because Israel being re-established as a nation again is the first step to God fulfilling His promise to bring her into the gospel.  Imagine tearing Paul out of the bible........what would happen then to those wonderful things he spoke of about Israel and the Jews?  that blindness has happened to them in part only until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in....etc.  God has left instruction in the Torah and prophets.....to EXPECT their messiah to be in Gentile garb, to EXPECT the gospel to come to them from the Gentiles...eg, Joseph....Ruth....Cyrus.....our wise God!  Or are WE trying to be HIS counsellors and change His ways.....as if we know better than Him?

[Heleadethme]

9 hours ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

He fought so hard to try and get some jews who had come to Christ , but were then going back under the law , to return back to JESUS only saves.

the law cannot earn us salvation, in fact by it we are found sinners only.  BUT IN CHRIST the law IS PUT ON OUR HEARTS to LIVE IT out by grace alone.  SING IT PEOPLES < SING IT>

It makes me anguish inside thinking of all the Jews that have come to faith in Christ........only to be swept up in the falling away from sound doctrine.  Paul could have wished himself accursed for the sake of his brethren the Jews.......trying to do away with him is the devil's work.  The flesh is so blind.......help us Lord.

Edited September 2, 2017 by Heleadethme

[Vickilynn]

16 hours ago, Heleadethme said:

It is so terribly sad how Hebrew roots has led to so much error....instead of just awakening the church to renewed efforts to get the gospel to the Jews.  We should never have gotten away from the simple way.....the Jews and Israel need the exact same gospel that saves us all, not altered one iota...and not tearing any pages out of the bible.  Some even think that Jews are saved under the Abrahamic covenant and don't need the atonement of Yeshua/Jesus.  What has also unfortunately happened with all this is that the wall of partition that was done away with has been re-erected.......whereas the bible says now we know no man after the flesh any longer......and that we are to glory not in the flesh.   God's way is the best way.......so we should not tamper with it.....and actually His way is the ONLY way.

 

I so agree and it's heartbreaking! I see so much division, pride, ego, fighting and most of all a lack of reaching the Jewish people for the Gospel, from the Hebrew Roots folks.

[Vickilynn]

14 hours ago, frienduff thaylorde said:

He fought so hard to try and get some jews who had come to Christ , but were then going back under the law , to return back to JESUS only saves.

the law cannot earn us salvation, in fact by it we are found sinners only.  BUT IN CHRIST the law IS PUT ON OUR HEARTS to LIVE IT out by grace alone.  SING IT PEOPLES < SING IT>

Absolutely and amen.

[frienduff thaylorde]

1 hour ago, Vickilynn said:

I so agree and it's heartbreaking! I see so much division, pride, ego, fighting and most of all a lack of reaching the Jewish people for the Gospel, from the Hebrew Roots folks.

Not only is it a false gospel they preach.........it has led NOW to interfaith ...........that not only will all the jews be saved, NOW its all religons and people period will be saved.

a snake well hidden in the grass it has been, till now the serpent shows his full colors and still they see him not for what he is. 

[frienduff thaylorde]

1 hour ago, Vickilynn said:

Absolutely and amen.

But still their are so few , and they will withstand and resist this false tide of interfaith .   Interfaith is the ultimate end time religion that if filled and full

of the den  of thieves and robbers..................for as Christ well said long long ago............a thief and a robber is HE who enters in some other way.

the head of upmost evil will stand and its kings will rule one hour with the beast.  The world is , and will witness the largest ecumenical gathering that has ever been

or will be again.   From gays to muslims, to all religions inbetween.  ALL , whose names are not in the lambs book of life will worship the beast whom this false prophet

will point too.   YES.............it leads the world to the worship of HUMANITY as god and all religions as valid , but second to HUMANITY FIRST.

then as the all inclusive become LAW , the world will come against all who resisted the theif and robbers religion of entering in by mans own means.

and will see us as haters of humanity as dogs that deserve not to live and are not fit for society.   YES, its began and will increase .

as chaos increases so too will the upmost call to end all stife , all divisions to have one big nimrod earth family...and then under this coming head of all evil

the world will heed it , follow it as god,  heed its beck and call and its mark which will be seen as  a means to end terrorism.    All all who refused it or its mark

will be hunted from one end of the earth to the other and these all incluisive love ones will see their head as one of love and us as haters and monsters.

Its coming and wont be stopped.  Therfore hear this cry and NO , I have NO FEAR of it or them.   Whether I live or die I am the Lords and no fear of death or harm

will move me from this course to warn all .   SO SING IT LOUD and fear not man whose breath is in his nostrils.......fear only HE who gave man that breath.  amen.