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My thoughts are that you are right.

However, in our daily life there are only two choices that we can make: We can choose the Tree of Life, or we can choose the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (shortened: TOL & TOK). The TOL is just God in Christ Jesus as our life and our life supply. The TOK is just the knowlede og the world and of worldly things. But the TOK is not just representative of all the negative things of the world, which is where many believers get stuck. You see, even the good things of the world, because they are apart from Christ, are a part of the TOK. In fact, anything that ia apart from Christ, period, is part of the TOK.

So in your daily life - in your living from day-to-day - are you taking Christ as life, or are you acting according to the TOK? Is it possible to do something good that is apart from Christ? I believe so. Because the unregenerated people of the world are doing many good things, are they not? But these things are apart from Christ, therefore they are not of Christ, they are of the world.

Therefore, can you dress modestly, act patiently, present yourself as a righteous man, and still be acting, thinking, living, and moving as part of the world? Absolutely. Because if you are not taking Christ as your life and your life supply (represented by the fruit of the TOL), then you are taking from another source. And since there are only two sources in the world.....

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Ovedya,

I do believe that I understand what you are saying. For example, a friend of mine is not a Christian but believes he will not go to hell because he is a good person. The fact is he is a very good person. He is kind, generous, thoughtful, and really has a lot of personal characteristics that we see in most Christians. However, from what I understand you are saying is that he is eating from the TOK and not the TOL. Believing that he is a good person and will not go to hell is just one of the many lies that will keep him from accepting Jesus as his savior.

I feel the TOK can cloud our thinking when it comes to our strive to be like Christ. I guess that is what I mean by the lies of the world

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ITA with your post and that we should always be aware of why we are doing anything and who we are pleasing. It can be a fine line sometimes. I also would caution about going the other extreme. There was a family in our church and the mother took much pride in that she didn't buy "stylish" clothing for her children etc. They wore very, very aged clothes, and they wore the pants until they were too tight in the waist, no matter that they were six inches above their shoes. She bought shoes at the Dollar General because it was a "sin" to buy Nikes just to "fit in". The result was that her children were mocked and mercilessly made fun of, beat up on the way home from school etc. Not only because of the way they were made to dress, but they were raised in a hideously legalistic atmosphere that made them stand out also. I always felt so sorry for them, they had it rough. And the oldest boy now lives with his male lover, btw. :(

I'm not excusing the mean kids who were cruel to them, but you don't make children stand out that way, under the guise of "not being of the world", it's just cruel. There is nothing wrong with buying them clothes that fit in with everyone else because it's the "style" for the time period. JMHO again. :rolleyes:

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Sounds like God is really speaking to you and you're not just playing at faith. That is awesome. I agree with what you're saying. The other poster is right about legalism. It can be really ugly and wrong if we get crazy about things and become insensitive to people. We become as sounding brass (I Corinthans 13:1). Not that I'm concerned that you're heading in that direction. I have seen it though. Follow God as best you can and keep reading the Bible. Be a part of a good church.

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You have to be careful, imo, because the enemy loves nothing more than to try and trip us up. If he can't get us to fall in a temptation, he may go the other route and try to make us trip up by our becoming rigid and legalistic. For instance, when I started back walking with the Lord about 4 years ago, I become so rigid to the point I wouldn't listen to any secular music save Christmas music. I would shun ANYTHING that wasn't totally gospel. Even though those songs I wasn't listening to that I previously had listened to weren't conveying a bad message, I wouldn't listen to them. The thought came to me that there was no difference in a good song and a good piece of poetry-they're both the same thing in essence. Satan will try to trip you up one way or another, so be aware of his devices!

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Ovedya,

I do believe that I understand what you are saying. For example, a friend of mine is not a Christian but believes he will not go to hell because he is a good person. The fact is he is a very good person. He is kind, generous, thoughtful, and really has a lot of personal characteristics that we see in most Christians. However, from what I understand you are saying is that he is eating from the TOK and not the TOL. Believing that he is a good person and will not go to hell is just one of the many lies that will keep him from accepting Jesus as his savior.

I feel the TOK can cloud our thinking when it comes to our strive to be like Christ.  I guess that is what I mean by the lies of the world

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