GEOLOGY REVEALS: One Creation, One Restoration and Two Global Floods

[Guest shiloh357]

 

5 hours ago, HAZARD said:

Forget about Dake, that's old hat and not winning you any brownie points. I would be impressed if you could show me that all these scriptures talk about "ONE flood and not two totally different floods. I have asked this of you several times  and all I get from you is, "There was no pre adamite world that was destroyed. So what is it, are these Scriptures to believed, or should we just ignore them as you do and blame Dake for what I believe? I know you wont do it because you cannot do it. Its impossible to do unless you twist the Scriptures to suite your personal opinion. All you can do is attack me and what I believe the Bible teaches.

 

In order to deal with those verses, I have bring up why those verses don't refer to any "Lucifer's flood."   First of all, and this is a point that NO ONE, including yourself has ever attempted to refute (since you cannot).    That is the foundational issue of Gen. 1:1 and 1:2.   The core of the Gap theory that you propose is that the world "became"  formless and void.   The problem is that you and others who promote this theory are not skilled in the original language.   Here is the hurdle you have to overcome on those two verses:

The letter "vav" in Hebrew is actually the word "and" in English.   When a sentence begins with "vav" in Hebrew it is followed by either a noun or a verb.  In the case of Genesis 1:2  "vav" is followed by a noun "haeretz" referring to the earth.  That separates, or disjoins v.2 from v. 1.  The ONLY way v. 2 could refer to a flood is if "vav" were followed by a verb.  If it were, that would a vav conjunction linking verses 1 and 2.

The usual contention is that "was" in v. 2 means "became."  That is not the case in a "vav disjunctive."  Verse two is not saying that the earth was flooded after God created it.   Verse 1 is a separate and independent thought due to the disjunctive of verse 2.   Verse 1 serves as the synopsis of the creation account.  Verse 2 to the end of the chapter, expound on verse 1.  In addition to that, "hayah" of verse 2 is translated "was" because it is in the perfect tense.  That means it shows a fixed and completed state, not an state of "becoming."

So the problem is that if Gen. 1:1 and 1:2 are a disjunctive, it falls to you to prove that I am wrong on the disjunctive.   If the disjunctive is real, it means that the "waters" of Gen. 1:2 are not a flood of judgment.

What you are doing is assuming a pre-adamite civilization, and molding the Bible around that theory by throwing out and peppering us with Bible verses that YOU assign values to you.   But, if the Gen. 1:1 and 1:2 are a vav disjunctive, it means that the verses you are assigning to "Lucifer's Flood" are not talking about that at all.

For example:  Jer. 4:23-26.   Why is that talking about "Lucifer's flood?"   You have taken that one passage and ripped it from its context and forced it to apply to something it was not addressing.

Jeremiah was using imagery derived from Gen. 1 to describe the state of Judah AFTER Judah had been defeated by Nebuchadnezzar.   He was using hyperbole to describe the desolation of Judah after it had been laid waste and its people taken into captivity in Babylon.   The passage is not referring to a a flood.   That doesn't even fit the context of what Jeremiah is saying.   You simply throw that passage out and blindly assign a value to it that has nothing to do with what Jeremiah was talking about.   Here is the context:

My bowels, my bowels! I am pained at my very heart; my heart maketh a noise in me; I cannot hold my peace, because thou hast heard, O my soul, the sound of the trumpet, the alarm of war. Destruction upon destruction is cried; for the whole land is spoiled: suddenly are my tents spoiled, and my curtains in a moment. How long shall I see the standard, and hear the sound of the trumpet? For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge. I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger. For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end. For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it. The whole city shall flee for the noise of the horsemen and bowmen; they shall go into thickets, and climb up upon the rocks: every city shall be forsaken, and not a man dwell therein. And when thou art spoiled, what wilt thou do? Though thou clothest thyself with crimson, though thou deckest thee with ornaments of gold, though thou rentest thy face with painting, in vain shalt thou make thyself fair; thy lovers will despise thee, they will seek thy life.   (Jer 4:19-30)

The parts that are bolded up us to understand what is actually being said in vv. 23-26.   Jeremiah is comparing the earth in its pre-creative state when nothing existed, to the utter desolation of Judah and Jerusalem.

Another example of how you mis-assign meaning is 2 Pet. 3:5-6.   In II Peter 3 he is addressing the mockers who claim that all things carry on as a they always have.   It is called "uniformitarianism" and in Peter's day, it was a denial of any "creative" event.  It is the view that nothing was "created."  The universe has just always been and things have always been as they are.

Peter addresses the mockers by bring up both the creation and the flood as proof of God's involvement in the affairs of Earth.   There is no evidence that Peter is talking about a Luciferian flood.

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So what is it, are these Scriptures to believed, or should we just ignore them as you do and blame Dake for what I believe?

All you do is copy and paste Dake.  Dake is your primary source and you simply follow him instead of thinking and reasoning and exegeting the Bible for yourself.

The above chart that you present as your own work is just a copy and paste of Finish Dake:  http://www.creationdays.dk/dake/1.php

And you give no proper attribution to it, which is plagiarism and a violation of the TOS on this board.   That's your "research."   So I am justified in blaming your theology on that pedophile reprobrate prophet you hold in such high esteem.

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That chart you gave a link to is by Ole Madsen, I have never seen that before, and I have never seen a chart on any website by Dake.

If you look at that chart by Ole Madsen and what I posted they are different, mine is not a copy and past.

You keep hammering Dake, why? You know Moses murdered a man? Do you follow him or ignore his writings because he was a murderer who repented. No where is scripture that I know of is anything said about him repenting, but I'm sure he did.

King David lusted after a woman, committed adultery with her, and when she fell pregnant with his child he arranged to have her husband murdered to cover his sin. Sure he repented after he was exposed by Nathan. 

David repented, but many suffered because of his terrible sin.

2 Sam. 12:9, Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.

2 Sam. 12:10 Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house; because thou hast despised me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife.

Do you read and believe David's writings?

Whatever Dake did and wether he repented is between him and God, not you, me, or anybody else.

You need to stop judging people and concentrate on your own sins, not others.

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34 minutes ago, HAZARD said:

That chart you gave a link to is by Ole Madsen, I have never seen that before, and I have never seen a chart on any website by Dake.

If you look at that chart by Ole Madsen and what I posted they are different, mine is not a copy and past.

You adapted it, changed it around a bit, but it's the same chart.  That's still plagiarism and the link is to Dake.

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You keep hammering Dake, why?

He is a heretic and an unrepentant pedophile.

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You know Moses murdered a man? Do you follow him or ignore his writings because he was a murderer who repented. No where is scripture that I know of is anything said about him repenting, but I'm sure he did.

King David lusted after a woman, committed adultery with her, and when she fell pregnant with his child he arranged to have her husband murdered to cover his sin. Sure he repented after he was exposed by Nathan. 

David repented, but many suffered because of his terrible sin.

2 Sam. 12:9, Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife to be thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.

2 Sam. 12:10 Now therefore the sword shall never depart from thine house; because thou hast despised me, and hast taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be thy wife.

Do you read and believe David's writings?

Whatever Dake did and wether he repented is between him and God, not you, me, or anybody else.

You need to stop judging people and concentrate on your own sins, not others.

 

It matters a lot when you are posting his heresies and false teachings.   That anyone could follow an unrepentant pedophile and post his nonsense is pretty telling.

And besides, you can't respond to anything else I posted.  You can't refute the problem of the vav disjunctive, because like other Gap Theorists, you have no skill in the original languages or exegesis.  All you can do is parrot someone else who has done your thinking for you.

 

 

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17 minutes ago, shiloh357 said:

You adapted it, changed it around a bit, but it's the same chart.  That's still plagiarism and the link is to Dake.

He is a heretic and an unrepentant pedophile.

It matters a lot when you are posting his heresies and false teachings.   That anyone could follow an unrepentant pedophile and post his nonsense is pretty telling.

And besides, you can't respond to anything else I posted.  You can't refute the problem of the vav disjunctive, because like other Gap Theorists, you have no skill in the original languages or exegesis.  All you can do is parrot someone else who has done your thinking for you.

 

 

Tell us, despite what he may or may not have said, tell us how you know he never repented before he died? You really are a nasty piece of work. You seem to delight in attacking people, especially the dead. I'm a retired coal miner not some university educated bible expert. God gave us His Word so it could be understood by babes, and He hid its truths from the wise and the proud and prudent;

Matt. 11:25, At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

If God gave us His Word that had to be interpreted by some bible experts, proficient in all the Hebrew and other languages, or it would not be understood by the simple and uneducated who could at least read, then that would be no god at all.

You say you understand all the languages, good for you, you have your highly educated opinion, I have my humble God given opinion, working in coal mines all my life, so lets leave it at that. Wont you feel a goose when we meet Jesus and you find out that there actually was a pre-adamite world that God totally destroyed, and then some time later God re-created it to a habitable state for mankind. Would you apologise to me, and if you meet Dake in heaven, would you apologise to him, or are you too proud?

If I'm wrong, I will apologise, and I wont feel so bad as I'm not highly educated in these things, I just simply read the Scripture and believe what I read.

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22 minutes ago, HAZARD said:

Tell us, despite what he may or may not have said, tell us how you know he never repented before he died? You really are a nasty piece of work. You seem to delight in attacking people, especially the dead. I'm a retired coal miner not some university educated bible expert. God gave us His Word so it could be understood by babes, and He hid its truths from the wise and the proud and prudent;

I simply don't think we need to basing our beliefs on false teachers and if you are going to continue to post Dake's heresies, I will confront those heresies.
 

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Matt. 11:25, At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

If God gave us His Word that had to be interpreted by some bible experts, proficient in all the Hebrew and other languages, or it would not be understood by the simple and uneducated who could at least read, then that would be no god at all.

 

A lack of skill in Scripture is nothing to be proud of.   No one has to be a seminary graduate to know the Bible, but simply posting Dake's work doesn't cut it.

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You say you understand all the languages, good for you, you have your highly educated opinion, I have my humble God given opinion, working in coal mines all my life, so lets leave it at that. Wont you feel a goose when we meet Jesus and you find out that there actually was a pre-adamite world that God totally destroyed, and then some time later God re-created it to a habitable state for mankind. Would you apologise to me, and if you meet Dake in heaven, would you apologise to him, or are you too proud?

That day will never come, because I am not twisting Scripture to accomodate a false teaching.

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If I'm wrong, I will apologise, and I wont feel so bad as I'm not highly educated in these things, I just simply read the Scripture and believe what I read.

No, you're just parroting what Dake teaches, not the Bible and certainly no original, personal exegesis of Scripture. 

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3 hours ago, shiloh357 said:

I simply don't think we need to basing our beliefs on false teachers and if you are going to continue to post Dake's heresies, I will confront those heresies.
 

A lack of skill in Scripture is nothing to be proud of.   No one has to be a seminary graduate to know the Bible, but simply posting Dake's work doesn't cut it.

That day will never come, because I am not twisting Scripture to accomodate a false teaching.

No, you're just parroting what Dake teaches, not the Bible and certainly no original, personal exegesis of Scripture. 

"A lack of skill in Scripture is nothing to be proud of.   No one has to be a seminary graduate to know the Bible."

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And no one has to attack another and boast that they know the Hebrew, Greek and other languages. I can do many things, you probably have not even heard about, but I don't boast about them. Did I say I was proud?

Almost any human being can express himself clearly enough to be understood. Furthermore, a God who could make Himself clear and chose to do otherwise in such a way as to confound and hide from man those things He seeks to reveal to him, would not be worth hearing. A God that gave man a revelation and deliberately sough to hide it from him, and then judge him for not being able to understand it, would be a tyrant instead of a God of love and justice. God can and did speak to men in the most simple human language, that He meant exactly what He said and said exactly what he meant, that He expects men to understand it on the same basis, using the same principles of human language that they use to understand other books. God will hold men responsible for what He says, not for what university, or seminary, or bible collage educated men interpret His Words to say.  God did not fail in His purpose of giving man a simple revelation that could be easily understood by all men alike, even the simple (Deut. 29:29; Ps. 119:104; 130; Prov. 1:1-4; 2 Tim. 3:15-17). Paul even speaks of the simplicity that is in Christ (2 Cor. 11:3).  The most simple beginners can understand the Bible one line at a time for this is the way it was given, and is the best way to understand it (Isa. 28:9-13). No man can get the vastness of the Bible at once, not even you. 2 Tim. 3: 7, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

I expected no more for you. You keep attacking me and Dake, you righteous, sinless, perfect, educated in all languages person.

The devil does not want anyone to know about his previous reign on the earth because this knowledge would expose completely expose him for who he is and what he is. he is a murderer, a thief and a liar, John 8:44.

He does not want anyone to know that the original creation was destroyed because of him and his rebel angles who followed him.  He wanted to be like God, and he failed, he told Adam and Eve they would become like God and they fell for this lie. We want to be like God but only in the manner of being completely good as He is, not actually be a god?

 

This deception, this hiding and denying there was an original creation, ignoring the hundreds of Scriptures which prove there was such a rebellion and destruction of the earth, the turning off of light and the flooding of the earth only gives ammo the second satanic lie, THE THEORY OF EVOLUTUION.

 

 

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3 hours ago, HAZARD said:

 

This deception, this hiding and denying there was an original creation, ignoring the hundreds of Scriptures which prove there was such a rebellion and destruction of the earth, the turning off of light and the flooding of the earth only gives ammo the second satanic lie, THE THEORY OF EVOLUTUION.

 

 

No one is hiding anything about an original creation.  The handful of verses you offer really say nothing about an original earth when they are taken in their natural, literary context.   False "teachers"  grab a bunch of verses and string them together like lights on a Christmas tree and make the Bible say anything they want it to say.   Competent, intelligent teachers of God's word reject the Gap Theory.

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1 hour ago, shiloh357 said:

No one is hiding anything about an original creation.  The handful of verses you offer really say nothing about an original earth when they are taken in their natural, literary context.   Foolish, incompetent "teachers"  grab a bunch of verses and string them together like lights on a Christmas tree and make the Bible say anything they want it to say.   Competent, intelligent teachers of God's word reject the Gap Theory.

 O'h so you believe in Christmas trees do you? They are after all a pagan tradition or didn't you know? The world is full of so called competent, intelligent people also deny there is a God at all and say creation is a figment of peoples imagination and totally reject it, and that it all happened with a big bang.

I don't call it the gap theory, I call it God's original creation of the Earth which He destroyed because of the rebellion of the one in charge and those who he ruled over in their attempt to invade heaven and dethrone God. Scriptures teach that every thing that God has done in the past, is doing now, and will continue to do into eternity is perfect in every way. God did not, "in the beginning" create the heavens, the sun, the stars, the galaxies, so there was light, in the beginning, and then the Earth, without form, and void, and in darkness, and covered with deep water? Any intelligent person should be able to see this for what it is.

 

Scriptures show that originally, Long before Adam and Eve were created, God created the Earth and placed Lucifer as ruler of the society there. God gave Lucifer control of the Earth kingdom (Rev. 12:12; Ezek. 28:11-18; Isa. 14:12-14).

 

Lucifer obeyed God and ruled for an unknown time before "Iniquity was found in him. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee" (Ezek. 28:13-15).
Before Adam Lucifer was the ruler of the Earth. God is taking about Lucifer in these Scriptures not a mortal man. He was a most perfectly created arc angel;

 

"Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee" (Ezek. 28:13-15).

Lucifer wanted to control the universe and knock God off His throne. He over a long period of time convinced one third of God's angels to rebell with him and they rebelled against God and His universal rule, and invaded heaven to try and de-throne God Himself. (Ezek 28:11-18; Isa. 14:12-14).

Naturally Lucifer was defeated, and his kingdom on the earth was totally destroyed by a flood and by the fierce anger of God (Gen. 1;2; Jer. 4:23-26; Ps. 104:5-9; 2 Pet. 3:5-6), hence the severe geological contortions of the earth's crust, vast deposits of bones in various places world wide, fossiles thousands or millions of years old etc. The earth was turned upside down in this process, ever wondered why the moon is poc marked by countless craters, and yet we never see anything plowing into it these days causing such destruction. What about the other dead planets in our immediate solar system? The flood God caused to cover the earth remained for an unknown period of time, and then God, in six days restored the earth to a habitable state and made Adam and his creation to carry out the original plan of God concerning the Earth (Gen. 1:3-2:25).

Lucifer and his spirit rebels caused man to fall and by this regained dominion of the earth through Adams submission (2 Cor. 11:3; Eph. 2:1-3; 6:10-18; Rom. 5:12-21). Lucifer has been in control ever since and he will remain in control untill the second coming of Jesus Christ who will put down all rebellion in the Millennium. God will then finally make a New heavens and a New Earth wherein dwelleth righteousness forever (1 Cor. 15:24-28; Rev. 19:11-22:5).

This doctrine is so simple for most men to understand, so they reject it. Especially many churches for some reason.

2 Peter 3:5-7 expresses this clearly in plain human language, "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing (emerging) out of the water and in the water:

Whereby the world THAT THEN WAS, being overflowed with water, PERISHED:

But the heavens and the Earth, WHICH ARE NOW, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men."

This is where people become confused and say the world "that then was," was the world before Noah's flood, but this cannot be because:

If the world that THAT THEN WAS" is that between Adam and the flood of Noah, then God created The heavens and the Earth WHICH ARE NOW" since the flood of Noah. Noah and his family lived prior to his flood and after it. The world "THAT THEN WAS PERISHED" and everything in it also perished. What change could Noah's flood make to the heavens? None, for floods on Earth can never cover the heavens. The earth, vegetation, the heavens, all remained the same after Noah's flood.

Peter, in (2 Peter 3:3-7) taught that scoffers were totally ignorant of the flood that destroyed the social system and the earth "that then was" (lucifers flood). These scoffers all knew of Noah's flood and still know today. This proves that the truth of the flood that destroyed the original creation was hidden from them, while they knew about Noah's flood.

What was it that the scoffers were ignorant of unless it was the destruction of the social system before Adam?

This is the doctrin of which men are still ignorant of, which they call "the gap theory." Peter said that the scoffers were willingly ignorant of this truth showing that it is a clear doctrin of Scripture if men would stop being ignorant of it. There are many Scriptures that make this doctrin clear; so "If any man wants to be ignorant, let him be ignorant," as Paul expressed in (1 Cor. 14:38).

Peter said these scoffers of the last days, the days we are in now, since Noah, would be ignorant of the fact that the heavens were of old; that the social system ruled by Lucifer on the old Earth perished by water; that the heavens and the Earth since the six days of restoration are kept in store to be purified again- the next time by fire; that the Lord is not slack concerning His promises of final restoration of the earth to its third perfect state; and that God was longsuffering to all men, not willing that any should perish, but all come to repentance. In Isa. 14:12-14 we have statements which cannot possibly of an earthly King. The passage is universally refering to the fall of Satan. We can quote it and note the facts.

"How art thou fallen from Heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which dist weaken the nations! For thou art hast said in thine heart, I WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN, I WILL EXALT MY THRONE above the stars of God: I WILL sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I WILL ascend above the heights of the clouds; I WILL BE like the most High," Now note the following facts this passage proves of Satan:

1. That his name is Lucifer.

2. That he was a son of the morning, and therefore, no earthly man.

3. That he fell from Heaven. This could never be spoken of a man. Satan is the only person in all Scripture who is spoken of as falling from Heaven (Luke 10:18).

4. That he was cut down to the ground in his fall.

5. That he weakened the nations on Earth.

6. That he was exalted in his heart.

7. That he invaded Heaven where God rules.

8. That he was a KING, for he had a Throne and SUBJECTS over whom he ruled.

9. That he wanted to exalt his kingdom above the clouds, stars, and into Heaven itself to dethrone God.

10. That he wanted to be worshiped in the congregation of God (Ps. 72:2; 82:1; Isa. 6:1).

11. That he led a rebellion against God but was defeated.

12. That his kingdom was on Earth, or he never could have tried to ascend above the clouds, stars, and into Heaven. When a kingdom is located under the clouds it has to be on the Earth.

13. That the ground, clouds, stars, and Heaven were already created.

14. That it had to be before Adam, for this was not the position of Lucifer when he was in Adam's Eden. Adam had dominion at that time. Lucifer had no kingdom on the Earth at the time of Adam and he has not had one since in the sense of a visible personal rule on Earth. He has only ruled through others since Adam's day; so this must refer to a time before Adam.

15. That he was not in Heaven when he rebelled, else he could not have desired to ascend into Heaven. He was under the stars, or he could not have desired to be exalted above the stars. He was under the clouds, or he could not have desired to ascend above them.

16. That God's throne is located in the north part of the universe (Psalms 75:6-7). Thus, this passage proves the location of Satan's original kingdom and the time of his fall. It was located on Earth, and his fall was before Adam, for he was all ready a fallen creature when he entered Adam' Eden.

In Coll. 1:15-18 we read of Christ creating thrones, dominions, principalities, and powers in Heaven and on Earth. They were located somewhere in the heavens and on the Earth. Lucifer was given a kingdom here on Earth, as proved by the passages cited above. His own subjects were earthly creatures of various kinds which were destroyed when the flood of Gen. 1:2 came upon the Earth. God created the Earth to be inhabited by earthly creatures (Isa. 45:18). They are called "nations" in the above passages. The demons who are now Satan's emissaries could well be the spirits of the pre-Adamites. At any rate they are not part of the creation at the time of Adam. Thus Isaiah teaches the Earth was inhabited before Adam and was ruled by Lucifer, who's kingdom was overthrown when he rebelled.

There is so, so much more found in Scripture regarding this doctrine, many dozens of Scriptures support this. If this is false teaching, it amuses me that no one comes up with nothing more than Noah's flood, which occured much later, did not completly destroy the Earth, shake mountains, turn them upside down, turned off the stars and the sun so that there was no light. God had already created the Heavens, they were in existence as well as the Earth only their lights were withheld from shining on the Earth thus causing darkness Gen. 1:2. There was no darkness during Noah's flood? There were men and animals on the earth before Noah's flood, and Noah and his family and the animals survived the flood and were on the Earth after it?

That the Earth ONLY was (became) without form and void (Hebrew tohu vabobu, litterally wast and ruin or desolate and empty), as in Gen. 1:2. That there were mountains of Earth that were shaken and turned upside down by an earthquake so severe, which no doubt caused the remains of animals to be deposited in the very depths of the Earth beneath many layers of solid rock, such as are now been found. Noah's flood never buried animals hundreds of meters beneath solid rock.

Many other scriptures apart from those above can be presented to prove the doctrine of a pre-Adamite world.

To try and put this in a nutshell, God created the heavens first, then the Earth, all in the beginning or in the dateless past (Gen. 1:1; Job 38:4-7). He caused the heavens and the Earth to be inhabited and gave Lucifer control of the Earth-kingdom, don't believe me, read, (Coll. 1:15-18; Rev. 12:12; Ezek. 28:11-18; Isa. 14:12-14).

Lucifer ruled the earth for God for an unknown period before he rebelled and invaded heaven to try and dethrone God. Not my idea, read (Ezek. 28:11-18; Isa. 14:12-14). He was defeated and his kingdom on Earth was destroyed by a flood and the fierce anger of God (Gen. 1:2; Jer. 4:23-26; Ps. 104:5-9; 2 Pet. 3:5-6).

The Earth was turned upside down, a process which caused all the present formations of the Earth. The flood remained on the Earth for an unknown period of time, and then God in six days restored the Earth to a habitable state and made Adam and Eve and his creation to carry out the original plan of God concerning the Earth (Gen. 1:3-2:25).

Lucifer, now called Satan, and the spirit rebels caused man to fall, and they regained dominion of the earth through Adam's submission (2 Cor. 11:3; Eph. 2:1-3; 6:10-18; Rom. 5:12-21). They have been in control ever since and will be in control until the second coming of Christ, who will put down all rebellion in the Millennium and make a New Heavens and a New Earth wherein dwelleth all righteousness forever (1 Cor. 15:24-28; Rev. 19:11-22:5). Why does science show the earth to be many millions of years old and the Bible "(allegedly)" says it is only six thousand years old? So, as with everything missunderstood in Scripture men call what they do not understand a theory. Hence, the gap theory, or even a heresy. But there was a gap and its no theory. Scripture shows there was a creation "in the beginning" and then a re-creation. I give hundreds of Scriptures, all you do is say, I'm twisting them to suite my beliefs like a bunch of Christmas lights on a christmas tree.You continue to believe what you want, I will continue to believe what I believe to be true.