jubilee years...

[Guest]

There has been much discussion lately of 'jubilee years...' Some ministries announced it was a jubilee year, and all were to give them ? and then they would become 'debt free' in six months... There were alot of disappointed but greedy saints... and a few ministries really prospered with their ? gift... so much so that now that ministry is building a big resort for themselves and their richer friends in Florida... and it was not even a jubilee year... at all...

the next year, another group decided to try similar tactics to fleece saints, and get rich... but what really is the year of jubilee? when is it? and is it important in our covenant??? what did it typify???

Leviticus 25:2-5

"WHEN YE COME INTO THE LAND WHICH I GIVE YOU, THEN SHALL THE LAND KEEP A SABBATH UNTO THE LORD.

[boblandis]

The 70th Jubilee year ended in 1993. This is one fact that many believe is a sign that the second comming is soon.

[angels4u]

70  years is about a generation right?

[Guest]

Bible scholars have argued for years on how long a 'generation'... some think 40,... some think 70...

and I used to have my opinion... but if you note the wording, of the verse most wonder about.... it does not say, 'in that generation'... or 'during that generation' ... it says 'before that 'before that generation pass away'... that means however long a generation is... does not matter... but the generation in which these things begin to come to pass, all will be fulfilled before that generation has died...  So if that generation began in 1948, or 1967, or whatever... before the people born at that time die off... all will be fulfilled...    

[angels4u]

AMEN and AMEN, you know what means?

Put your wings on, we're going soon....

[Guest]

Yes... we need to be ready... for at any moment... Revelation 3:2-3

"BE WATCHFUL, AND STRENGTHEN THE THINGS WHICH REMAIN... IF THEREFORE THOU SHALT NOT WATCH, I WILL COME ON THEE AS A THIEF, AND THOU SHALT NOT KNOW WHAT HOUR I WILL COME UPON THEE."

The Lord does not want to come to us, "as a thief."  There is the "IF" in that verse that most ignore.  We are not supposed to be surprised by His coming, "if" we are aware and awake. Some things are revealed to us, and we are to know them.

Deuteronomy  29:29

"THE SECRET THINGS BELONG UNTO THE LORD OUR GOD: BUT THOSE THINGS WHICH ARE REVEALED BELONG UNTO US AND TO OUR CHILDREN FOREVER, THAT WE MAY DO ALL THE WORKS OF THIS LAW."

It is the children "of the night", or "of darkness", that are to be taken by surprise by the "day of the Lord."  It shall come as a "thief" to them.

I Thessalonians 5:1-11

"BUT OF THE TIMES AND THE SEASONS, BRETHREN, YE HAVE NO NEED THAT I WRITE UNTO YOU.  FOR YOURSELVES KNOW PERFECTLY THAT THE DAY OF THE LORD COMETH AS A THIEF IN THE NIGHT.  FOR WHEN THEY SHALL SAY, 'PEACE AND SAFETY;' THEN COMETH SUDDEN DESTRUCTION UPON THEM, AS TRAVAIL UPON A WOMAN WITH CHILD, AND THEY SHALL NOT ESCAPE.  BUT YE, BRETHREN, ARE NOT IN DARKNESS, THAT THAT DAY SHOULD OVERTAKE YOU AS A THIEF.  YE ARE ALL THE CHILDREN OF THE LIGHT, AND THE CHILDREN OF THE DAY; WE ARE NOT OF THE NIGHT, NOR OF DARKNESS. THEREFORE LET US NOT SLEEP, AS DO OTHERS; BUT LET US WATCH... COMFORT YOURSELVES TOGETHER, AND EDIFY ONE ANOTHER, EVEN AS ALSO YE DO."

We, as Christians, are to be different that the world.  We are "not to be in darkness" and surprised by the Lord's coming.

Daniel 8:19

"BEHOLD, I WILL MAKE THEE KNOW WHAT SHALL BE IN THE LAST END OF THE INDIGNATION (the great tribulation), FOR AT THE APPOINTED TIME, THE END SHALL BE."

Long ago, God appointed a time for the second coming and all the events prophesied. These dates are set and will not be changed.  

The very idea  that God did not know what would happen, and would have to change His planned times because of events that He did not foresee -- is foolish.  

He warns in Revelation against the very idea that we can add to, or take away from...the events just as He outlined them. ( Revelation 22:18-20)

Are we not to be concerned by the "when" of these events??? Surely, we are.  

But

there is a passage that many try to appeal to, in order that they might justify "unconcern" toward the times.

Mark 13:32

"BUT OF THAT DAY AND THAT HOUR KNOWETH NO MAN, NO, NOT THE ANGELS WHICH ARE IN HEAVEN, NEITHER THE SON, BUT THE FATHER..."

Jesus, at that time, did not know the time of the rapture and second coming.  He had emptied Himself of His omniscience until He was glorified again after the resurrection.  Yet, in that same passage we are told to:

"TAKE HEED, WATCH, AND PRAY... COMMANDED HIS PORTER TO WATCH... WATCH YE THEREFORE... AND WHAT I SAY UNTO YOU, I SAY UNTO ALL, WATCH."

We may not know the "day or the hour", but we are not to have a lack of interest in the times.  Most who quote from Mark 13:32-37, disobey the whole truth Jesus was trying to tell us there. We are being instructed to "watch" and be alert to the signals of His coming.

II Peter 3:9-10

"THE LORD IS NOT SLACK CONCERNING HIS PROMISE, AS SOME MEN COUNT SLACKNESS; BUT IS LONGSUFFERING TOWARD US, NOT WILLING THAT ANY SHOULD PERISH BUT THAT ALL SHOULD COME TO REPENTANCE..."

Because it seems as though it has been so long, since the promise of His return, and the event itself...some think God has forgotten, or that maybe we are expecting something that will never occur.  But God has already appointed a time, and He is not slack, He is just awaiting the salvation of all He can.  When His appointed time arrives, He shall come.

We are in the generation.

Luke 21:32

"THIS GENERATION SHALL NOT PASS AWAY, TILL ALL BE FULFILLED."

Two things pin down the "generation."  It will be the generation during which Israel becomes a nation again. this occurred in 1948. It will also be during the generation when Jerusalem will not be controlled by the Gentiles any longer.  Since 1967, all of Jerusalem has been under control of the Jews. This is our generation.

Why can't we know the "day" or the "hour?" The word "day" is from the Greek word "hemera".  It is the time space between dawn and dark, or the whole 24 hour  day.  The word "hour" is from the Greek word "hora", meaning a short time, a short season.  It is a part of a day. What we are not to know is the exact day, and the exact hour of His coming. Can we come within a year?  Or can we come within a month, or a week???  And if we thought we knew the "day", say a Monday...it is already Tuesday somewhere on the earth, since it is round.  And if we thought we knew the "hour", say midnight...it is already 1 A.M. somewhere, since the earth is round.  Knowing this, God told us that we cannot know the "day" or "hour."

The "times" and the "seasons" are supposed to be discerned by the saints.  

The word "seasons" is from the word "kairos" means "clock time."  This means we are to be aware of how much clock time is left.   Just as someone who watches the clock at work, if quitting time is 4:00 and it is 3:30, they are well aware that they are in the last half hour. In the schools, one can tell it is one minute till the bell, by the kids on the edge of their seats, books in their arms, and one foot in the aisle ready to jump from their seats.  In the same way, we are to know the clock time left, so we may be anxiously waiting when the Lord returns.

The word "chronos" is the word for "times" in the Bible.  It refers to a fixed or special period of time.  We are to be aware of when we are in that special period of time just before the coming of Jesus.  God has indicated events we are to see within that last time period, and we are to be well aware that we are in that period. In the work place, those who work Monday through Friday, and have the weekend off, are well aware that on Friday - the weekend is soon to arrive.  They know in which time period they are. We too should know we are in the final time period before the coming of Jesus.

so... we are 'children of the light'... and supposed to walk in the light ... not to be surprised as will the sinners by the 'thief in the night...'... in fact..... I am the prize... and you as a Christian... are the thing the Thief in the night will come to steal out of this world... so... look up... the Wonderful Thief will soon 'steal us' out of this world.. and take us to heaven....   I cannot wait... LOL

[In1]

On 3/28/2002 at 8:12 AM, Guest said:

There has been much discussion lately of 'jubilee years...' Some ministries announced it was a jubilee year, and all were to give them ? and then they would become 'debt free' in six months... There were alot of disappointed but greedy saints... and a few ministries really prospered with their ? gift... so much so that now that ministry is building a big resort for themselves and their richer friends in Florida... and it was not even a jubilee year... at all...

the next year, another group decided to try similar tactics to fleece saints, and get rich... but what really is the year of jubilee? when is it? and is it important in our covenant??? what did it typify???

Leviticus 25:2-5

"WHEN YE COME INTO THE LAND WHICH I GIVE YOU, THEN SHALL THE LAND KEEP A SABBATH UNTO THE LORD.

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