7 TIPS FOR PREPARING FOR THE GREAT TRIBULATION

[Daniel 11:36]

 The pre-trib rapture---like the theory of evolution---is fiction: It makes no difference what "evidence" is used to "prove" it; it is still false

 

You have no scriptural definitive for your idea 

[LightShinesInTheDarkness]

7 minutes ago, Quasar93 said:

 

Did you take the time to read my post you quoted, bro?  It has all the Scriptural facts you call a myth, that refute your preconceived views.  Opinion is worthless without verifying Scriptural support.  The bottom line is if you stand by the claims you do about the coming pre-trib rapture of the Church being a myth, you need to field a Scripturally based argument refuting the Scriptures I posted that refute you, or your views are the myth.  Here is more or you to review:

The Biblical teaching of the pre-trib rapture of the Church 

Mt.24:31:
[/B] And He will send His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His ELECT from the four winds [Israel - on earth], from one end of the heavens to the other [The Church Jesus will rapture before the seven year tribulation begins]. How did those ELECT get into heaven? Read on to find out.

Lk.21:36:
"Watch ye, therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man."

Jn.14:2-4 and 28:
"In my Father's house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you [See Jn.20:17]. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. You know the way to the place where I am going." [Jn.14:2-4].

"You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I." [Jn.14:28].

The Scriptures tell us where we all go, who belong to Christ, after the death of our bodies:
"We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord." As recorded in 2 Cor.5:8, confirming Ecc.12:7. Which is, in and of itself, conclusive to the fact that Jesus is not going to let the rest of His Church remain on earth to go through the seven year tribulation, when He returns for those of us who are still alive, waiting for His appearing, in 1 Thes.4:17. Since He raises all those who have died, to be with Him, immediately after their physical death, for more than 2,000 years.

1 Thes.4:13-18:
The Thessalonians were very concerned about those among them who had died, that they would not be gathered together with the rest of them when Jesus returned. Paul assures them in vs 13-14 that they will all be returning with Christ from heaven, where they have been since He raised them up to be with Him, the day they died physically, according to 2 Cor.5:6-8.

"We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him [Died physically]. Vs 14.

"According to the Lord's own word [Scriptural truth as to the fact that Jesus taught there was to be a pre-trib rapture of the Church, as recorded in Jn.14:2-4 and 28], we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left to the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep." Vs 15. An assurance by Paul to the Thessalonians that the dead in Christ had already been raised from the dead before, and were already with Christ when He returns for all those left on earth alive at His coming.

Because they have already been raised, each in his/her own turn, according to 1 Cor.15:23. That is the very reason it is not documented as a resurrection in the Scriptures.

"For the Lord Himself will come down from heaven [With all His saints [Church], according to vs 14], with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first" [Paul again assures them, as seen in verses 13-14, they were already previously raised once before, each in his/her own turn, as they died, for more than 2,000 years]. Vs 16.

"After that, we who are still alive and are left will be CAUGHT UP [raptured] together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the sky. And so we will be with the Lord forever." Vs 17. Where we proceed with Jesus to our Father in heaven as He promised us in Jn.14:2-4 and 28.

"Therefore encourage each other with these words." Vs 18.

2 Thess.2:1-8: The precise timing of the rapture of the Church:
"Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to Him, we ask you, brothers, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the Day of the Lord [The 70th and final Week/seven year tribulation of Dan.9:27] has already come." 2 Thes.2:1-2. Which is a direct reference to 1 Thes.4:17 and the theme of Paul's entire pre-trib rapture message in 2 Thes.2:1-8. When we will be CAUGHT UP TOGETHER WITH THEM IN THE CLOUDS TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR. [Parenthetics mine].

The "Day of the Lord" Paul refers to in vs 2, alludes to Dan.9:27, when God will intervene into the affairs of man for the last time, culminating in the second coming of Jesus to the earth. In that passage of Scripture, the Day of the Lord is triggered by the "he" who "confirms a covenant [An agreement] for one Week" [The Day of the Lord/ 70th and final Week/seven year tribulation], who is the antichrist. The second, and same "he," who stops Israel from the offerings and sacrificing in the temple of God, and the third, and same "he," who breaks his covenant in the middle of the Week [After 3.5 of the 7 year total], and sets up the abomination of desolation Jesus referred to in Mt.24:15, in His Olivet Discourse, about the sign of His second coming, and of the end of the age.

In verse 3: "Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that Day [The Day of the Lord, the 70th and final Week, the seven year tribulation] will not come, until the "apostasia" [Greek term in which the original translation was "to depart," or "departure," meaning, the rapture of the Church] occurs and the man of lawlessness [The antichrist, and all three of the "he's" in Dan.9:27] is revealed [Who triggers the Day of the Lord/ the 70th and final Week/ the seven year tribulation], the man doomed to destruction." Which reveals the "apostasia" [Departure] will take place before the antichrist is revealed, who triggers the 70th Week/seven year tribulation. Confirmed in verses 7 and 8 below.

Translation History of apostasia and discessio: By Thomas Ice, PhD.
The first seven English translations of apostasia all rendered the noun as either " departure" or " departing." They are as follows: Wycliffe Bible (1384); Tyndale Bible (1526); Coverdale Bible (1535); Cranmer Bible (1539); Breeches Bible (1576); Beza Bible (1583); Geneva Bible (1608) . This supports the notion that the word truly means " departure." In fact, Jerome' s Latin translation known as the Vulgate from around the time of 325 A.D. renders apostasia with the " word discessio, meaning ' departure.' Why was the King James Version the first to depart from the established translation of "departure" in 1611 A.D.? [It is more than likely due to overzealous RCC scribes who altered the original wording of vs 3. to accommodate their teachings of Amillenialism, which rejects both the pre-trib rapture of the Church as well as Jesus Millennial reign her on earth].

Theodore Beza, the Swiss reformer was the first to transliterate apostasia and create a new word, rather than translate it as others had done. The translators of the King James Version were the first to introduce the new rendering of apostasia as " falling away." Most English translators have followed the KJV and Beza in departing from translating apostasia as " departure." No reason was ever given.

"He [The antichrist] will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God." Vs 4. [The abomination of desolation, confirming Dan.9:27 and Mt.24:15]. See also 2 Thes.2:4.

The rapture of the Church and verse 3 confirmed:
In verse 7: "For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so until he [The saints - Church] is taken out of the way."

The "he" who will be taken out of the way, is the one body of Christ, who bear the Holy Spirit within each of us [Eph.1:13-14], the Church of Jesus Christ. The very same as those who will participate in the "apostasia," the "departure," [the rapture] of the Church, in vs 3. Immediately following that:

In verse 8: "And then the lawless one [The antichrist] will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of His mouth and destroy by the splendor of His coming." Vs 8. [See Rev.19:17-21].

The antichrist is found in all three of the "he's" in Dan. 9:27, confirmed by Jesus in Mt.24:15; Mk.13:14 and by Paul, in 2 Thes.2:3, 4 and 8.

From the above Scriptural facts, there can be only one proper interpretation for the timing of the rapture of the Church, which will be immediately preceding the 70th and final/7 year tribulation, triggered by the antichrist, all three of the "he's" in Dan.9:27. Seen also as the first of the four horsemen of the apocalypse, riding the white horse, in the first of the seven seals, in Rev.6:2. There is no "pre-wrath" or post-trib rapture taught in the Scriptures.


Other verses pertaining to the rapture of the Church: 1 Thes.1:10; 1 Thes.5:9; Rev.3:10 and Rev.4:1-2. Of the saints [Church] returning with Christ from their marriage in heaven, in Rev.19:7, 8 and 14; Jude 14 and Zech.14:4-5!


The difference between the Second Coming of Christ and the pre-trib rapture of the Church:

http://www.pre-trib.org/data/pdf/Ice...eenTheRapt.pdf


Quasar93

I maintain my response to you in my last post. I am not unsure about this matter or searching for the truth about it; I already know it. And this fact will be proven by the events themselves, as they take place, as I said previously.

(Providing more misinterpreted Scripture isn't going to make the Lord return when you think He is going to; He's still going to return when the Bible actually says that He will, whether you understand the Scriptures or not.)

It really makes no difference how much Scripture one provides as evidence of the correctness of a false teaching: A false teaching is still false and a wrong interpretation is still wrong, as the events themselves will prove. So there's no point in providing Scripture to support your incorrect interpretation, or in our debating the matter---so much the less so given the abundance of Scripture you have provided to support your belief: If you've compiled so much "evidence" to support a pre-trib rapture from studying the same Scriptures as I, there's no Scripture I can provide you that can---independent of Divine intervention---show, and assure you of, the truth about this.

(But may the Lord do so, for you, and for others who are likewise mistaken/deceived about it.)

(Also, I am female. )

[LightShinesInTheDarkness]

58 minutes ago, OneLight said:

All this trib stuff, pre, mid, post, etc. are just projections of ones personal beliefs.  We will be caught up to be with the Lord at the last trumpet, as spoken in 1 Corinthians 15:50-58, backed up with 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18.  Scripture does not lie, but man can lack an understanding when they try to make scripture fit their personal theology.

Just saying people, this is the only place where we are even given a hint of the timing that I have found where one does not have to read into scripture ... it is as plain as black and white.

Not exactly: They may be projections of one's personal beliefs---based on what one may have been taught by one's church or gathered from one's own study of the Scriptures; but the post-tribulation rapture is, in fact, the correct interpretation; and this fact must be revealed and confirmed by God to the individual, as there is no other way to truly know it---except, of course, as the events themselves come to pass.

Knowing what the Bible says is no guarantee of understanding what it means, as browsing the threads in the forums on this site makes obvious. Two people may use the same scriptures to support opposing positions. One of them may be right and the other wrong, or they may both be wrong. It is possible to know the true meaning, but this depends upon God, and not one's own mind and study only. And once one knows a Scriptural truth, it doesn't matter what anyone else believes about it; you will know that it is correct. 

The Scriptures will prove themselves according to the truth, not according to our personal beliefs (unless, of course, our personal belief is based upon the knowledge of that truth.)

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[OneLight]

1 minute ago, LightShinesInTheDarkness said:

Not exactly: They may be projections of one's personal beliefs---based on what one may have been taught by one's church or gathered from one's own study of the Scriptures; but the post-tribulation rapture is, in fact, the correct interpretation; and this fact must be revealed and confirmed by God to the individual, as there is no other way to truly know it---except, of course, as the events themselves come to pass.

Knowing what the Bible says is no guarantee of understanding what it means, as browsing any of the threads on any forum on this site makes obvious. Two people may use the same scriptures to support opposing positions. One of them may be right and the other wrong, or they may both be wrong. It is possible to know the true meaning, but this depends upon God, and not one's own mind and study only. And once one knows a Scriptural truth, it doesn't matter what anyone else believes about it; you will know that it is correct. 

The Scriptures will prove themselves according to the truth, not according to our personal beliefs (unless, of course, our personal belief is based upon the knowledge of that truth.)

According to you it is the correct choice, yet you do so without providing any scriptural proof that the last trumpet is blown after the tribulation.  Can you see my point here?  People project their understanding they have created into scripture when scripture is silent beyond the claim of being caught up is at the last trumpet.

[LightShinesInTheDarkness]

5 minutes ago, OneLight said:

According to you it is the correct choice, yet you do so without providing any scriptural proof that the last trumpet is blown after the tribulation.

The Scriptures alone won't and can't prove it, as my previous post explained. But you can find the proof of it yourself in the Scriptures with God's help, and I would encourage you to look into the matter. If He doesn't show you the truth about this, you won't know it, no matter how much Scripture could be provided by myself or anyone else.

Edited February 8, 2018 by LightShinesInTheDarkness

[OneLight]

Just now, LightShinesInTheDarkness said:

The Scriptures alone won't and can't prove it, as my previous post explained. But you can find the proof of it yourself in the Scriptures with God's help, and I would encourage you to look into the matter. If He doesn't show you the truth about this, you won't know it, no matter how much Scripture could be provided by myself or anyone else.

Ah, the secret revelation from God!  Funny how people who cannot prove things through scripture always fall back on the secret revelation theory instead of admitting that scripture is silent.  May I suggest that if God shows anyone something in private, it is to remain private.  There are places in scripture where God does show someone something in private, then tells them to not say a word about it, one example being what the Seven Thunders uttered.

[Quasar93]

1 hour ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

 The pre-trib rapture---like the theory of evolution---is fiction: It makes no difference what "evidence" is used to "prove" it; it is still false

 

You have no scriptural definitive for your idea 

 

 

From your above remark, it is clear you reject the Scriptural teachings of Jesus, Matthew, Luke, John and Paul, on the coming pre-trib rapture of the Church, that refute you, whom you call liars.

 

Quasar92

[LightShinesInTheDarkness]

5 minutes ago, OneLight said:

Ah, the secret revelation from God!  Funny how people who cannot prove things through scripture always fall back on the secret revelation theory instead of admitting that scripture is silent.  May I suggest that if God shows anyone something in private, it is to remain private.  There are places in scripture where God does show someone something in private, then tells them to not say a word about it, one example being what the Seven Thunders uttered.

Just because a truth is there in the Scriptures, doesn't mean you will see what is right in front of your eyes for what it is. That does require understanding and conviction from God; otherwise it's every man's word against another's, each man using the Scriptures to support what he believes, whether what he believes is actually correct or not. (This forum being a case in point.)

Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures... (Luke 24:45)

[OneLight]

Just now, LightShinesInTheDarkness said:

Just because a truth is there in the Scriptures, doesn't mean you will see what is right in front of your eyes for what it is. That does require understanding and conviction from God; otherwise it's every man's word against another's, each man using the Scriptures to support what he believes, whether what he believes is actually correct or not. (This forum being a case in point.)

Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures... (Luke 24:45)

Well then, you should have no problem showing us, by using scripture, that the rapture will occur at the end of the tribulation, and how the last trumpet will sound at the end of the tribulation.  I gave you scriptural proof that the rapture is at the last trumpet ... now you provide scripture showing it is not, unless you can show that the last trumpet is at the end of the tribulation itself.

[LightShinesInTheDarkness]

1 hour ago, OneLight said:

Well then, you should have no problem showing us, by using scripture, that the rapture will occur at the end of the tribulation, and how the last trumpet will sound at the end of the tribulation.  I gave you scriptural proof that the rapture is at the last trumpet ... now you provide scripture showing it is not, unless you can show that the last trumpet is at the end of the tribulation itself.

I prefer to point you to the Scriptures to find it for yourself, with God's help. I will provide you with these three bits of advice, and will comment no further to you on this matter:

When seeking truth from the Lord be sure that you have these things:

1. A humble heart

2. Pure motives

3. No known sin in your life (a good conscience toward the Lord and His peace that you are doing what is pleasing to Him to the best of your knowledge and ability.)

You can disregard this advice to your own loss, but I strongly suggest that you take it.

May the Lord give you all that you need of Him.

Edited February 8, 2018 by LightShinesInTheDarkness
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