Heleadethme Posted February 8, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 15 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,371 Content Per Day: 1.35 Reputation: 3,268 Days Won: 5 Joined: 07/10/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted February 8, 2018 1 hour ago, simplejeff said: On sites/ places/ where basic greek and western thought has predominated for centuries, I found it is impossible to bring understanding. It was (and remains) a miracle of YHVH'S Grace if anyone (including me) learns His Way, according to His Revealing. Thus, for everyone and anyone seeking YHVH'S Grace and His Kingdom, His Way, continue to seek Him personally, often, daily, and He will reveal the Truth , as HE PROMISES, completely true to His Word, and completely in Harmony with all of His Word, and no contradictions, and no supporting what He Himself Says in His Word (even in english bibles) that He Hates. Ah. Well, let's discuss this, brother. I agree that God hates divorce......and we know that Jesus didn't say that a spouse is obligated to divorce in cases of adultery.....forgiveness and reconciliation is an option and certainly can be considered first, and often is.....because a three-fold cord is not easily broken, the marriage bond.....but is it possible that divorce in cases of adultery is a concession in cases where the offended spouse is just not able to reconcile themselves to being reconciled.....especially in cases of repeated habitual willful adultery.....God is not mocked.....and He hates adultery too and judges it. Considering that even the marriage bed is a concession of sorts to our fallen flesh and physicality......since some become eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom, but only those who can receive it will receive it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creativemechanic Posted February 10, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 7 Topic Count: 414 Topics Per Day: 0.12 Content Count: 1,273 Content Per Day: 0.36 Reputation: 518 Days Won: 0 Joined: 09/22/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted February 10, 2018 On 2/8/2018 at 2:55 PM, missmuffet said: There are two biblical reasons for divorce. One is infidelity and the other is if an unbeliever leaves. Other wise if you get a divorce it is not biblical. That means if you remarry you will be committing adultery. Abuse is a necessary reason for divorce. But if you know that person you are marrying very well and a born again Christian is marrying a born again Christian there will not be abuse. not to be negative, but ive heard of that happeneing so i wouldnt put it past christians to abuse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted February 10, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 962 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,734 Content Per Day: 5.04 Reputation: 9,121 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Online Birthday: 03/03/1885 Share Posted February 10, 2018 On 2/8/2018 at 1:55 PM, missmuffet said: There are two biblical reasons for divorce. One is infidelity and the other is if an unbeliever leaves. Other wise if you get a divorce it is not biblical. That means if you remarry you will be committing adultery. Abuse is a necessary reason for divorce. But if you know that person you are marrying very well and a born again Christian is marrying a born again Christian there will not be abuse. ..."if you know that person you are marrying very well and a born again Christian is marrying a born again Christian there will not be abuse." Yeah sure, for Christains never develop problems or have difficulties that will adversely affect a marriage, because- they are Christian. Oy vey! or LOL one of the two. But bonus credit for listing if an unbeliever leaves when the other partner becomes a Christian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMatrixHasU71 Posted February 10, 2018 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,573 Content Per Day: 0.51 Reputation: 723 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 10, 2018 On 2/8/2018 at 2:57 AM, amarielmaxi said: What are valid reasons or exceptions for divorce? Biblical references with your points would be great! Jesus brought up infidelity, that would be a good one. So would physical abuse. Not that that is explicitly mentioned as a reason for divorce but someone above this post quoted Corinthians where it speaks of a non believing spouse who may be released from the covenant of they so wish. Someone who would abuse their spouse willingly and doesnt change would hardly be accounted as a believer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neighbor Posted February 10, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 962 Topics Per Day: 0.35 Content Count: 13,734 Content Per Day: 5.04 Reputation: 9,121 Days Won: 6 Joined: 12/04/2016 Status: Online Birthday: 03/03/1885 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Marriages have been arranged by mankind between individuals that do not know each other at all, since well nearly forever, and always arranged by God who is sovereign in all matters. The idea that one must know their mate very well as an assurance that the marriage will succeed and endure might be a fallacy. I sure think it is. The marriage proposition is a covenant between a man and a woman made before God. All that insures any marriage is the willingness of the partners to gut it out in the hard times for the glory of God. To do that each party to the marriage must give up much of themselves for the glory of God and to the benefit of the other. It isn't easy. It isn't all fields of posies blooming in the warm summer sunshine. It can, and does get pretty gritty at times, some long lasting times too, but for many it is a lifelong glorious and blessed testimony to the glory of God. It is worth all the personal sacrifice that must be made for it to endure and thrive should one marry in the first place. Marriage is not for everyone. As Paul encouraged for many there is another choice if one is strong enough for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplejeff Posted February 10, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 12 Topic Count: 12 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,689 Content Per Day: 2.37 Reputation: 2 Days Won: 20 Joined: 06/30/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted February 10, 2018 35 minutes ago, Butero said: Of course not. I am saying that using that passage to expand grounds for divorce to include abuse is wrong. It has nothing to do with that issue. Even the word and the concept of "abuse" used by society* in the last hundred years does not mean anything as if from YHVH'S WORD --- society's made the word something more 'legal'/'legalistic' of the flesh for man's purposes opposed to YHVH'S Purposes entirely, yet 'comfortable' for the flesh and for man's way of thinking, without being subject to YHVH at all. *society- including churches subject to and deceived by and part of society instead of subject to God. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frienduff thaylorde Posted February 10, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.29 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted February 10, 2018 1 hour ago, simplejeff said: Even the word and the concept of "abuse" used by society* in the last hundred years does not mean anything as if from YHVH'S WORD --- society's made the word something more 'legal'/'legalistic' of the flesh for man's purposes opposed to YHVH'S Purposes entirely, yet 'comfortable' for the flesh and for man's way of thinking, without being subject to YHVH at all. *society- including churches subject to and deceived by and part of society instead of subject to God. As a small child we should simply say IF JESUS said it THEN ITS ABSOLUTE TRUTH and Good for us to hear , know and obey. IF JESUS said but I say unto you, THEN ITS ABSOLUTE TRUTH to be obeyed from the heart by the power of HE who is within us and gives us the LOVE OF GOD ON OUR HEARTS. I just see things as a little child does. IF IT WAS SAID BY THE LORD , then simply love it , embrace it , obey it and if the HOLY GHOST Is on our heart THEN we know ITS HIS UNCTIONS that even LET us KNOW THIS . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frienduff thaylorde Posted February 10, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.29 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted February 10, 2018 IF we truly have Christ , the Spirit within us. IT would point to CHRIST , HIS SAYINGS and gives us A HEART AFTER GOD. if we WILLFULLY try and go around what Christ said and find another way to justify why WE DO as we do, instead of just living by The SPIRIT which reminds our hearts what JESUS said, how does that heart really know or even LOVE GOD. the evidence is seen in what we LOVE , who we truly serve. and that is a fact . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frienduff thaylorde Posted February 10, 2018 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 17 Topic Count: 18 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 13,256 Content Per Day: 5.29 Reputation: 1 Days Won: 62 Joined: 07/07/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/25/1972 Share Posted February 10, 2018 On 2/7/2018 at 11:29 PM, simplejeff said: In the world , there are often many, and easy to obtain. In Christ Jesus, not so. Using anything from the Bible to try to justify something God Says He Hates is not right. (many churches do that though) If someone is not willing to DO as God Says though, God won't coerce them - He releases them/ doesn't hold them to HIs covenant/, albeit with His Own Righteous Indignation at all the wickednesses on earth daily - soon to be judged , final time. JEFF their is one who did this and its is written for all to see. WHO used scrips the wrong way to try and cuase JESUS to disobey The Father. SO no marvel if this same one will try and twist scrips to get us to disobey THE ONLY ONE CHRIST JESUS . THAT IS SATANS GOAL and he has many ministirs who appear as men of righteousness who do just this . they will fight and resist the plain words of CHRIST by twisting scrips and justify WHY they remarry, or why they go to war or why they do as they do. CHRIST IS the ONLY SAVOIR and the dark one knows that , thus his mission.................let me feed the lusts of the flesh and feed them twisted doctrine that results in them FEELING JUSTIFIED and SAVED even while WILLFULLY REJECTING THE SAVOIRS SAYINGS. ITS A DELUSOIN , but many buy it and not the TRUTH . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missmuffet Posted February 10, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 34 Topic Count: 1,994 Topics Per Day: 0.48 Content Count: 48,692 Content Per Day: 11.74 Reputation: 30,343 Days Won: 226 Joined: 01/11/2013 Status: Offline Share Posted February 10, 2018 4 hours ago, Neighbor said: ..."if you know that person you are marrying very well and a born again Christian is marrying a born again Christian there will not be abuse." Yeah sure, for Christains never develop problems or have difficulties that will adversely affect a marriage, because- they are Christian. Oy vey! or LOL one of the two. But bonus credit for listing if an unbeliever leaves when the other partner becomes a Christian. There will be problems in any marriage. Most marriages are not perfect but if a couple are true born again Christians there should not be abuse or infidelity. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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