Unfailing Presence Posted February 28, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 649 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 170 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/26/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted February 28, 2018 On 2/20/2018 at 6:18 AM, thomas t said: 13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." Exactly where is this " written " ? I did a OT search for this quote and was surprised when it came up with nothing . Is Paul quoting exactly as it is " written " ? I always like to look at the larger context of a single sentence just for my own clarification . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Bought 1953 Posted March 1, 2018 Group: Royal Member Followers: 13 Topic Count: 48 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,726 Content Per Day: 2.88 Reputation: 6,258 Days Won: 5 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted March 1, 2018 For what it’s worth.......long , long time ago I remember J.Vernon McGee opining on this.He said God hated Esau because in his lineage was Herod the Great who slaughtered the children under the age of two in Bethlehem.....interesting, if nothing else...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unfailing Presence Posted March 1, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 649 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 170 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/26/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted March 1, 2018 34 minutes ago, Blood Bought 1953 said: For what it’s worth.......long , long time ago I remember J.Vernon McGee opining on this.He said God hated Esau because in his lineage was Herod the Great who slaughtered the children under the age of two in Bethlehem.....interesting, if nothing else...... Wonderful man of God J.Vernon was , and you brought to mind something else I heard him say on this business of hating Esau . He said , " I don't have as hard time understanding why God hated Esau , as I do understanding why He loved Jacob ." Implication being that Jacob was not a very lovely fellow at all himself , and that the answer to both questions really lies within the mind and purpose of God . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas t Posted March 1, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 46 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 944 Content Per Day: 0.22 Reputation: 170 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/05/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/20/1980 Author Share Posted March 1, 2018 9 hours ago, Unfailing Presence said: Exactly where is this " written " ? I did a OT search for this quote and was surprised when it came up with nothing . Is Paul quoting exactly as it is " written " ? I always like to look at the larger context of a single sentence just for my own clarification . Romans 9:13 KJV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted March 1, 2018 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,605 Content Per Day: 3.97 Reputation: 7,795 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted March 1, 2018 Fascinating reading all this. I see the 'Sons of God' as His High Council. (see Ps 82). His Council of Archons that disobeyed. They continue in messing up the various nation of the earth that Yahweh gave them authority over. A chief among them seems to be HaSatan. This 'son' was also present with the 'other sons of God' in Job. Job also tells us that Yahweh now distrusted his council members. So, I desire to make a model airplane. From my experience I see it in my mind - I know it will fly from experience. In my mind it is flying even. But I have yet to physically make it. If I can do this in my mind, surely the Lord High God can do this also. Before the flood there was less water on our planet. These land bridges facilitated much of the spreading of artifacts that are discovered today. No Panajea. Take the simple and most straightforward understanding of scripture before it is complicated with 'dispensations', 'ages' and man's many ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unfailing Presence Posted March 2, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 649 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 170 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/26/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted March 2, 2018 On 3/1/2018 at 4:21 AM, thomas t said: Romans 9:13 KJV. But Paul say " it is written " ? Anytime I have seen this statement in scripture it clearly indicates the speaker is referring to something " written " prior , and they are just repeating it . Do you know what I mean ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas t Posted March 2, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 46 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 944 Content Per Day: 0.22 Reputation: 170 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/05/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/20/1980 Author Share Posted March 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Unfailing Presence said: But Paul say " it is written " ? Anytime I have seen this statement in scripture it clearly indicates the speaker is referring to something " written " prior , and they are just repeating it . Do you know what I mean ? I've cited this Bible verse, as it is, and yes I also think, Paul is referring to something written prior... Regards, Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unfailing Presence Posted March 3, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 649 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 170 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/26/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted March 3, 2018 On 3/2/2018 at 11:51 AM, thomas t said: I've cited this Bible verse, as it is, and yes I also think, Paul is referring to something written prior... Regards, Thomas curious that wherever these words are "written" prior to Paul quoting them is so hard to find ? I'll keep looking . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas t Posted March 3, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 46 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 944 Content Per Day: 0.22 Reputation: 170 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/05/2012 Status: Offline Birthday: 04/20/1980 Author Share Posted March 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Unfailing Presence said: curious that wherever these words are "written" prior to Paul quoting them is so hard to find ? I'll keep looking . Dear Unfailing Presence, Oh I didn't get your point. Now I understand: you were aiming at the *original* passage, Paul is quoting from. My Bible at home says this was Malachi 1:2-3 (KJV) Was not Esau Jacob' brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, 3 And I hated Esau, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unfailing Presence Posted March 3, 2018 Group: Senior Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 21 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 649 Content Per Day: 0.25 Reputation: 170 Days Won: 0 Joined: 03/26/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted March 3, 2018 6 minutes ago, thomas t said: Dear Unfailing Presence, Oh I didn't get your point. Now I understand: you were aiming at the *original* passage, Paul is quoting from. My Bible at home says this was Malachi 1:2-3 (KJV) Was not Esau Jacob' brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, 3 And I hated Esau Got it . Thank You . And this is why I like to look into these things . I have read the passage and I see nothing that refers to the womb 0r before birth . Nothing . It only speaks of his forsaken " heritage " as being a source of God's displeasure . " Was not Esau Jacob's brother ? Saith the Lord yet I have loved Jacob . And I hated Esau and laid his mountains and his HERITAGE waste for the dragons of the wilderness ." ( Malachi 1 : 1-3 ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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